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Al Gore will be indorsing Howard Dean (pg. 2)
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Note I said combined with huge deficits. Perhaps a rephrase on my part.
Aside from that, no, I don't want to rehash it - I know you'll school me in economics, past or present :toothless . |
Ah ok yes ... then we are in agreeance :). I too agree that the deficits are unsustainable. A part of me has actually been attracted to dean since he is a fiscal conservative. He's more republican than bush is with respect to spending (Or perhas Bush is more democrat than dean). Furthermore, Dean's repeal of the tax cuts are likely to occurr when the economy is in the cyclical upswing, therefore I am not as concerned.
Besides ... if dean does well, than good. I don't want to see Hillary in the white house :D |
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| anuneventrade |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
But then again, I surmise the GOP smear tactics will come in full effect real soon, likely sometime this week with more ads. And if all else fails, hell, it was Clinton who lied about his blowjob, right? |
I still think that matter should have been kept on the DL. (I know, off topic).
I cannot wait until Bush has to debate without knowing the questions before hand. It will be comical. Not only shall we see him stutter, use horrible vocabulary and grammar, but hopefully we shall see him make an utter fool of himself! :haha:
I don't want to see Bush in office again, that is a fact. Hilary either.
On that note, I am curious to see all of the Dean's standing on things. We shall see how it all turns out. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Besides ... if dean does well, than good. I don't want to see Hillary in the white house :D |
I have a hard time fathoming many people wanting Hilary in the office, but I digress... |
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| Heinz |
| imagine america now under gore. you think he would go to war with iraq and the taliban? |
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| Yoepus |
In all fairness guys, Bush is a pretty good debater if we are to judge by the previous elections. I believe the consenus is that he won 2 out of 3 of the debates.
Of course competition wasn't very well competitive. |
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| occrider |
| Oh why oh why did McCain not win the republican ticket :( |
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by rizen
I just heard it. Anyone know if this is true or not? If true, it makes you think why he isnt indorsing his former VP canidate mate, Joe "The Republician" Liberman :D |
"Endorsing"
(I can't spell either hah)
Man it's good he didn't endorse Liberman. That would be like replacing one Republican for another (almost).
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Gore's stupid, don't try and over anaylize anything he does:p |
He recieved 51 percent of the vote last time, so his carries quite a bit of weight. I'm not so sure the dems can win it in 04, but certainly in 08 they will have back the whitehouse.:)
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I personally think this is a good move for the Dems in general. I saw the endorsement this morning on CNN, and I think it's important what Al Gore was saying about the other candidates and the need to cease fighting amongst themselves, as well as putting a target on Dean's back. He's clearly ahead, he has the biggest grassroots backing, his finances are far in the lead, and I think Al Gore's choice is an obvious one.
I agree, and my response is - GOOD! I think the last person the Dems. need in the White House is Hilary. Her character as well as her behind the scenes deals as a slithering corporate lawyer is more than I can handle in the White House. I could care less if she's a woman - in terms of character she's no better than that little Yale C- brat who's always needed daddy Bush and his buddies to bail him out of all his bad business dealings that we have to currently bear with now.
If this undermines Hilary's chances for the White House, all the better I say. You get Dean in the office for 8 years and her chances of Presidency in 2008 will slither away. Clinton's politics need to go, period. |
I'll always trust a doctor over a lawyer hah.
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Oh why oh why did McCain not win the republican ticket :( |
I feel the same way. See the other Dean thread for the long answer.
Short answer: Karl Rove is a filthy pig
p.s. Do you guys want to take bets now on how many more middle eastern countries will be invaded in the next 5 years? |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSaenz
He recieved 51 percent of the vote last time, so his carries quite a bit of weight. I'm not so sure the dems can win it in 04, but certainly in 08 they will have back the whitehouse.:) |
Al Gore did NOT receive 51% of any vote. For your further voting reference, the final vote tally was this:
Popular Vote/Percentage Electoral Vote/Percentage
Dubya: 50,459,624 / 47.87% 271 / 50.4%
Gore: 51,003,238 / 48.38% 266 / 49.4%
Nader: 2,882,985 / 2.74% 0 / 0.00%
Buchanan 449,120 / 0.43% 0 / 0.00%
Browne 384,440 / 0.36% 0 / 0.00%
Other 232,922 / 0.22% 1 / 0.20%*
* In the District of Columbia, one Gore Elector abstained from voting.
And just for the kicks, here's the final Florida tally: I guess you could assume that Nader cost Gore Florida, and hence the election, but Gore did not receive 51% of any popular vote.
Dubya: 2,912,790 / 48.85%
Gore: 2,912,253 / 48.84%
Nader: 97,488 / 1.63%
I guess you're simply assuming that everyone who voted for Nader would've voted for Gore otherwise, which, IMO, is an irresponsible assumption. Neither candidate won a majority vote. Gore is a dip. Remember, he's the candidate who couldn't even carry his own state. He's a political failure. His endorsement of Dean is probably a non-event at best. |
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| WhoaNellie1487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by rizen
I just heard it. Anyone know if this is true or not? If true, it makes you think why he isnt indorsing his former VP canidate mate, Joe "The Republician" Liberman :D |
Yep,It's true. I saw it on the washington post last night while I was delivering it. But yea, I do wonder why he isn't indorsing Joe Liberman..Hmmmmmmm. |
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Al Gore did NOT receive 51% of any vote. For your further voting reference, the final vote tally was this:
Popular Vote/Percentage Electoral Vote/Percentage
Dubya: 50,459,624 / 47.87% 271 / 50.4%
Gore: 51,003,238 / 48.38% 266 / 49.4%
Nader: 2,882,985 / 2.74% 0 / 0.00%
Buchanan 449,120 / 0.43% 0 / 0.00%
Browne 384,440 / 0.36% 0 / 0.00%
Other 232,922 / 0.22% 1 / 0.20%*
* In the District of Columbia, one Gore Elector abstained from voting.
And just for the kicks, here's the final Florida tally: I guess you could assume that Nader cost Gore Florida, and hence the election, but Gore did not receive 51% of any popular vote.
Dubya: 2,912,790 / 48.85%
Gore: 2,912,253 / 48.84%
Nader: 97,488 / 1.63%
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My apologies. You are correct.;) |
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| MrSquirrel |
By the way:
It is Endorse.
MrS |
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| anuneventrade |
| quote: | MANCHESTER, New Hampshire (CNN) -- Democratic presidential aspirants met in New Hampshire for the last debate of year, but the campaign was overshadowed by Al Gore's endorsement of former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean.
Sen. Joseph Lieberman lashed out at the former vice president Tuesday, saying he was surprised Gore would back a candidate who "will take this party back to where we were before [President] Bill Clinton."
Gore's endorsement substantially deepened Dean's fast-developing drive for dominance in the nine-candidate field of would-be challengers to President Bush.
The announcement could cement Dean's status as the leading Democratic candidate heading into the kickoff contests now just weeks away in Iowa and New Hampshire.
Lieberman, who was Gore's vice-presidential running mate in 2000, appeared to have the most to lose by Gore's endorsement of another candidate.
Lieberman said he spoke by phone with Gore for about four or five minutes Tuesday morning -- a phone call he said came "too late."
"I don't have anything to say today about Al Gore's sense of loyalty," said Lieberman, who had waited to announce his candidacy until after Gore said he would not run in 2004. "I have no regrets about the loyalty that I had to him."
But he said he was caught off-guard.
"I was surprised about the decision. I was surprised that Al Gore didn't notify me before I learned about it from the media -- that would have been the right thing to do. I was surprised that Al Gore would endorse a candidate who stands for so many things that Al Gore has not stood for."
Lieberman also said political endorsements "don't pick presidents," and he vowed to fight to give the nation "the fresh start it needs, so help me God."
He added that it's "less likely now" that Gore could play a key role in any future Lieberman administration.
According to a Democrat close to Gore, the former vice president had placed calls to Lieberman and his staff once word was leaked Monday that he planned to endorse Dean, but the calls were not returned.
The topic of the endorsement came up early in Tuesday evening's Democratic debate sponsored by ABC News and WMUR-TV. (Full story)
Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts stood by Lieberman.
"I was sort of surprised today, actually, by the endorsement, because I thought that Joe Lieberman had shown such extraordinary loyalty in delaying his own campaign, that it surprised me," Kerry said to applause from the audience.
Prior to Tuesday's endorsement, a source told CNN that Gore -- the Democratic Party's presidential candidate in 2000 -- thinks a protracted primary campaign would serve only to help President Bush.
Erik Smith, a campaign press secretary for Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri, sounded as if the Gephardt team was surprised by the news.
Dean and Gephardt are the top two candidates in Iowa. (Gephardt calls for increased homeland security funding)
"Dick Gephardt fought side-by-side with Al Gore to pass the Clinton economic plan, pass the assault weapons ban and defend against Republican attacks on Medicare and affirmative action. On each of these issues, Howard Dean was on the wrong side," Smith said.
Paul Begala, a political adviser to President Clinton and now a host of CNN's "Crossfire," called the endorsement an "enormous boost" that would clearly give Dean momentum going into Iowa and New Hampshire.
"It's very good for him," Begala said. "I wouldn't go so far as to say it locks anything up, though, because people want to make up their own minds."
The New Hampshire primary is scheduled for January 27.
Dean pulling ahead
Howard Dean, in thanking Al Gore for his support: "We have needed a strong, steady hand in this party."
With the Dean campaign gaining momentum, a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll shows Dean widening his front-runner status among the eight other Democratic candidates.
The poll showed that 25 percent of registered Democrats surveyed support Dean as their nominee, with retired Gen. Wesley Clark coming in second with 17 percent. (Poll: Dean's New Hampshire lead increases)
In an interview before the news broke on CNN's "Judy Woodruff's Inside Politics," Dean played down his front-runner status.
"The pundits in Washington have been talking about me as the front-runner for a long time," Dean said.
"Well, guess what, the people of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Arizona and so forth get to decide who the front-runner is. So, it's nice talk, but I'm not buying it." |
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS...reax/index.html
Maybe someone's just bitter they weren't chosen again! :haha: |
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