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| NeoPhono |
Multiple sources for this...but big news no matter where you get it from.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS...a.ap/index.html
I welcome the beginning of the annexation of Canada to form the great state of North North Dakota.
Seriously, I never saw relations between the US and Canada as super tense, but I guess this is good news. It seems as though Canada has almost become European in the past decades in its views and politics, which is not entirely a bad thing. I just hope the change in philosophies between the two countries doesn't lead to any sort of rift...which I see possibly occuring with Canada's impending decriminalization of marijuana. Well...what comments do our Canadian brethren have? |
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| imokruok |
As integration goes, the US and Canada are the two most nationally integrated economies in the world. These ties alone have the capability to prevent any major rifts.
But it's no secret that American presidents have not had great affinity for Canada's PM's, particularly the ones who come out of Quebec. The US has always put a great deal of weight on relations in the Anglosphere. Britain, Australia, New Zealand, etc. But sometimes Canada's policies and PM's don't quite fit in that "zone."
After the recent Liberal leaders who publicly called Bush an "idiot," I don't blame him for not pressing for further relations. A change in Canadian leadership, and thus a change in outlook on the US/Canada relationship, is a good thing. |
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| ahlamalek |
| quote: | Originally posted by imokruok
As integration goes, the US and Canada are the two most nationally integrated economies in the world. These ties alone have the capability to prevent any major rifts.
But it's no secret that American presidents have not had great affinity for Canada's PM's, particularly the ones who come out of Quebec. The US has always put a great deal of weight on relations in the Anglosphere. Britain, Australia, New Zealand, etc. But sometimes Canada's policies and PM's don't quite fit in that "zone."
After the recent Liberal leaders who publicly called Bush an "idiot," I don't blame him for not pressing for further relations. A change in Canadian leadership, and thus a change in outlook on the US/Canada relationship, is a good thing. |
are you dense or you doing it on purpose to distort facts?!? no single liberal leader said that about a US president... it was an aid to the PM who said that, an aid isn't a leader in my book.
also if my facts are straight and I think they are. All PMs since 1968 were from Quebec except, Joe Clark for 9 months, John Napier Turner for less than 3 months and Kim Campbell for about 4 months, and before that Louis St-Laurent from Quebec ruled Canada from 1948 to 1957, but I disgress. This means that in the last 35 years, probably twice your age, PMs from Quebec were in office. Except for trade issues which were always news since the beginning of the 20th century, there wasn't any major rift between the two neighbours.
Now, that Canada stood on its two foot and refused to participate in a war in which about 75-80% of Canadians were opposed, American president mr. Bush is pissed off and relation turned sour.
Your allegations that US-Canada relations are sour because of Quebecois PMs is just pure BS. |
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| ahlamalek |
| one more thing, that aid who said that Bush was a moron didn't say it in public, it was a phone conversation with some US official (another aid I think).:rolleyes: |
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| imokruok |
My apologies for not being more clear. "Liberal leaders" was meant to refer to members of the Liberal party, just as I would refer to members of the Bush administration members of the "Republican leadership."
And yes, Canadian relations were better when we were dealing with the Queen and not with the PM's from Quebec. :D Brian Mulroney an exception.
Enjoy.
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| arctic |
| quote: | Originally posted by imokruok
The US has always put a great deal of weight on relations in the Anglosphere. Britain, Australia, New Zealand, etc. But sometimes Canada's policies and PM's don't quite fit in that "zone." |
That's been happening a lot more recently, our PM (John Howard) has been getting extremely freindly with Bush. He's got a free trade deal on the way, we've followed the US into every war they've got themselves into, he's visited Bush in the White house/Bush has come down here etc.
However, the oposition leader accused the government of being a 'Conga line of suck holes' for supporting the US, and described George Bush as 'The most dangereous and incompetent US president ever', os something extremely close to that. |
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| anuneventrade |
I applaud Canada and the US for trying to find a resolution and coming together. I hope all issues that create any tension can be discussed during the Summit of the Americas. US and Canada going back on good terms will benefit the countries and the people in them.
Though I doubt that comments such as "Damn Canadians" and "Stupid Americans" will go away! :toothless |
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| dEsidEL |
I strongly feel that US-Canadian relations can be mended, esp. with a new Canadian Prime Minister and eventual new US administration. Annexation of Canada is stretching it a bit tho .. I'm quite sure that most Canadians I know would not support joining the Union.
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| NYCTrancefan |
| It doesn't really matter at the end the majority of Canadians like Americans and the majority of Americans like Canadians, not exactly the U.S and North Korea. I respect Canada as a nation and wouldn't mind moving there one day, probably Toronto. I never cared too much for Chretien though, wonder why. If Bush is pathetic in the English language oration, Chretien had him beat, the man spoke French and English in doubly bastardized accents. I am not a native French speaker but my French which I learnt is much more fluid. I only mentioned this because people often laugh at the way Bush speaks, hmmmm. I am just glad to see Paul Martin in office and hope that he has a more proactive stance in U.S-Canadian relations and vice versa. |
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| ahlamalek |
| chretien's lazy lip really helped him in the fluidity of his speach... |
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