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Trance dead in the water (pg. 10)
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| Digital Aura |
| quote: | | is much like saying a person ends his or her growth in life at twenty-five because from then on they cease to physically change. Letting a sound flesh out within a paradigm is also part of a musical progression, which trance was doing in the 1998-2001 time period. |
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: heheh wow...I'll need a degree in English and a major in Philosophy for that one Cobalt.
Nice!;) |
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| JayD |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
and of course jay...you're right about the whole marketing thing...its just i'll tell you this...if a producer could capture the feeling of the public...and was able to develop a diverse sound while still making quality trance, they would quickly rise to the top of the ranks ;) |
You wont see muh of this. Even though there are those that are diverse and that are doing something different, labels dont want to take a chance because they think they know what works and what doesnt. Although, some that do take chances (like the ones that are signing alot of unknown talent) are trying to move foward with you're suggestion.
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by JayD
You wont see muh of this. Even though there are those that are diverse and that are doing something different, labels dont want to take a chance because they think they know what works and what doesnt. Although, some that do take chances (like the ones that are signing alot of unknown talent) are trying to move foward with you're suggestion.
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everything that you've said is true hehehehe... |
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| swe_Trancer |
All genres have their up's and down's.
I listen to many styles of EDM and some hiphop and metal. the thing about rap and metal is that their also not evolving very much and they're not even aware of it it seems to me. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Really, I think this is more recent than that. Even the Anthem Crash and the 2000-01 aftermath were part of the evolution of trance. Things only really began to stagnate in 2002.
I think your idea of trance ending its growth in 1998 or something is much like saying a person ends his or her growth in life at twenty-five because from then on they cease to physically change. Letting a sound flesh out within a paradigm is also part of a musical progression, which trance was doing in the 1998-2001 time period.
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I disagree. I had gotten sick of all the paint-by-numbers anthems as far back as 98, even pitting Oakenfold's "Tranceport" as the death knell of good trance, due to its formless, aimless nature. It represented what I hated most about trance DJs and trance sets of the period: that they had become uninteresting marketing extravaganzas, human jukeboxes who don't mix, but just piece together the day's chartoppers.
I mean, just look at it. 12 tracks. 12 TRACKS!!! What the hell kind of boring set only has 12 tracks? That's not DJing, that's being a glorified stereo. That the tracks are different flavours of Epic, Anthem, Dream and Progressive trance hardly makes up for the fact that the set as a whole is a bunch of disjointed, unrelated different set pieces. Remember when trance sets were about taking you on a journey? Tranceport is no journey. There's no tension or release in any of it. It's just a bunch of top10 hits. The amazing thing, however, is that this formula worked, and every Ibiza Trance Nation Tunnel Mission Force Club Anthems vol. 847 tried to rape the same formula (with varying degrees of success).
That the music managed to fester for a few years longer had nothing to do with its value or self-worth, but rather its pop accessibility. Audiences not keen on earlier trance in its bizarre, spacey, repetitive, unresponsive ethereal state could now enjoy it at the top40 level due to its easily memorable hooks and pop melodies. When that happened, there was the big rave explosion, in concert with the rise of Big Beat and French/club house. But the music itself was so shallow and unfulfilling that those who engorged themselves on it eventually grew tired when it lost its effect on them. Hence the "9 month raving career" paradigm. They simply burnt out and left. The only thing that kept it going, then, was the influx of newbies. More people were coming into the scene than going out of it, and this hyper-inflated the status of the DJs and the value of the music to ridiculous proportions. Like the dot-com bubble, any trend this flimsy was bound to come crashing down like a house of cards, as soon as it reached its saturation point.
That critical mass came in 2001. Much of the genre's elite fled, going instead to house or progressive or other, low-key scenes. But the rest? Now this is interesting, and this explains exactly what the dutch trance scene is now all about : the rest decided to go for bigger, fuller, more euphoric anthems. Like a drug, the emotional effect of last month's hit anthem keeps wearing off, so each track they release has to up the dosage to maintain the high and to keep the few remaining stragglers clinging to it.
People's tolerance for anthem trance is now extraordinarily high, which is why the big, overblown "wall-of-sound" anthems have to keep getting bigger and more euphoric to maintain their interest. As you can guess, this simply cannot last, and the anthem trance producers are simply working on borrowed time. |
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| diffusion |
| quote: | Originally posted by AndskiSpeed
I'm starting to get bored of the "cookie cutter" trance thing (by the way that word really gets on my ) and it does need some innovation before everyone gets really bored
And with ASOT, I personally have got bored of it, because I'm not really much of a fan of Armin as a DJ anymore. |
Agreed, I don't like his recent sets at all...
For me it all crashed down on me after ISOS3. I definately don't like that compilation. It's mostly boring, sounding like the same,
tunes are copies of each other. However, it's the past that keeps my interest in trance living. There's endless of "old" gems out there. And ofcourse, there's always a nice trance tune released once in a while. Ferry Corsten Vs The Thrillseekers - Sublime is a good example...
As for gabriel and dresden's productions: BORING |
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| swe_Trancer |
| As long as you guys don't turn your backs on EDM I'm happy;) |
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| brian |
I'm absolutely loving a good bit of the stuff thats getting released. And I love ASOT, too. But my view on this is probably pretty biased considering I didn't seriously get into EDM until late 2001 / early 2002. By then the sound had wildly evolved from the way it sounded 5 or 6 years ago. Mind you, I have heard a lot of older trance, and I absolutely love it. But I just don't find the newer stuff that bad at all.
However, if you feel its going downhill, start producing and change that ;) It's never too late to start. |
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| swe_Trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by brian
However, if you feel its going downhill, start producing and change that ;) It's never too late to start. |
yeah...who says you gotta be a dj just to produce?:) |
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| Shad0wmaster |
| i agree that uplifting is dead. with very few exceptions, those kind of tunes are really turning very boring and repetitive. i think trance is heading more in the direction of prog, and we should expect to see very good stuff from prog/trance DJs and producers, like Zabiela or O'Bir. but even if uplifting is boring, i don't think trance in general is dead, it's very much alive, just changing more than ever as new influences come into the scene. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shad0wmaster
very good stuff from prog/trance DJs and producers, like Zabiela or O'Bir |
yep, zabiela has everything to do with o'bir |
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| swe_Trancer |
I wouldn't say that uplifting is dead. It just got fat and decided not to make an effort anymore.
you think it will be back? |
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