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U.S. may move German bases to Poland (pg. 2)
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| PHALPAX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
A educated, well-paid, presence of Americans in Polish will do the same wonders to it as the American presence did to help contribute to the rebuilding of Germany and Japan, brining technology, medicine, education, wealth, and expertise in dozens of related fields to the Polish people.... who knows free trade might be next? |
In a historical context, it took years for such benefits to materialize. I question the dedication the U.S. has towards Poland, never mind money-oriented benefits . |
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| failsafe |
| I'd be very careful saying that the rebuilding of the post world war II economies of Japan and Germany was due to American military bases. Both Japan and Germany were economic powerhouses before the war. They just rose back to the positions they once held. It's not as if the addition of bases led them greatness they hadn't seen before. |
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| rizen |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
Sure, just like the last war right? Don't bother with the Polaks till they're already defeated. No harm will come their way. :rolleyes:
I suppose it's easy for you to forget who was the first country to stand up to aide the US in this war against Iraq? What country was WITH the American forces when they captured Sadam? The Polish Brigade. You think the Polish troops weren't sent around the world? Think again. Half the boys I grew up with are in Iraq, or in a different country, fighting the "American War". |
wait are we talking about the same Poles that we are paying their troops to be in Iraq? the same Poland that we are buying AK's from to give to the new Iraqi army? without our money they wouldnt bother, what great allies. :rolleyes: |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by rizen
wait are we talking about the same Poles that we are paying their troops to be in Iraq? the same Poland that we are buying AK's from to give to the new Iraqi army? without our money they wouldnt bother, what great allies. :rolleyes: |
Sounds like they are using us then, so much for them being lackies of America after all:haha: :haha: |
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| failsafe |
| I prefer the term "lackey" over ally in this situation. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by failsafe
I'd be very careful saying that the rebuilding of the post world war II economies of Japan and Germany was due to American military bases. Both Japan and Germany were economic powerhouses before the war. They just rose back to the positions they once held. It's not as if the addition of bases led them greatness they hadn't seen before. |
no it wasn't the cure all wake up in the morning miracle pill, but it did help. Western commitement to rebuilding both those economies bears its proof of achievement through history. We can easily compare East to West germany to prove such a point.
Both Japan and West Germany however in essence did not have to waste the 5% of their GDP on military affairs to ensure their security... they rellied on US security, and were so able to free up more resources to reconstruction.. this contributed to their growth as well.
Aside from political restraints, such as having to agree with the US a majority of times, I see no adverse effects from such a deal for the Polish, no matter how long it lasts. |
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| failsafe |
| Wait till drunken american soldiers start raping 14yr old polish girls. That seemed to piss the japanese off. |
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| PHALPAX |
| quote: | Originally posted by failsafe
Wait till drunken american soldiers start raping 14yr old polish girls. That seemed to piss the japanese off. |
Oh yeah, as if Japan would sacrifice its own security for such a incident.:rolleyes:
The South Korean gov't knew it had a wave of public opposition coming at them when an American hummer ran over and killed 2 Korean girls, but yet was steadfast behind the security pact they had with the U.S. (priorities, priorities!!)
But then again, people are too ignorant to see the big picture of things AND things to come. |
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| vmc |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
From a "Polak's" view-
Poland is an extreemly poor country. We won't be able to afford these bases on our own. We can't even afford decent hospitals and surgery procedures. Putting up these bases for the Americans will cost too much money. On this count, we will need help from other places. |
Extremely poor? WTF? You haven't been around for a long time Sara, do you? It isn't that bad! Who said we cannot afford hospitals? That's the most rediculous think I've heard in a while!! The heath protect system is under reorganization but how can you say that ppl can't afford healing when it's free here? I live here and know what I'm talking about. The economy is developing pretty quickly and our macroeconomical indexes are promising. |
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| smokeape |
I don't believe the US is going to establish nowhere near an equal presence in Poland like they had in Germany. In fact, plans are to bring thousands back from Germany to the US to be stationed stateside. The US Military is already overextended, having been severely downsized in the early 90's, and it would only take another regional threat or conflict (i.e., North Korea or Taiwan) to drive us to full mobilization as long as we have to maintain substantial forces in Iraq.
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| anuneventrade |
| quote: | Originally posted by vmc
Extremely poor? WTF? You haven't been around for a long time Sara, do you? It isn't that bad! Who said we cannot afford hospitals? That's the most rediculous think I've heard in a while!! The heath protect system is under reorganization but how can you say that ppl can't afford healing when it's free here? I live here and know what I'm talking about. The economy is developing pretty quickly and our macroeconomical indexes are promising. |
Yes, Poland is growing economically wise, but there's still so much of Poland that is in the dirt with hospitals. I haven't been to Poland in merely two years, not even. I'm speaking from knowing what my sister, who lives in Warszawa, had to go through when pregnant, and the months before it. When my uncle needed emergency surgery on his back but had to wait almost over a year to get it because of the lack of beds in the hospitals and the right equipment (he lives in Grudziaz, btw), my Grandman, who can't get decent medicne, ever (Gdansk) and my uncle who has hearing problems that can never be fixed (Gdynia).
Wasn't meaning to offend, but you have to admit, Poland is still not a well-off country. Technology wise, we're far ahead of America and many other countries, but there are some aspects, a lot of them, that still need tending too. One of them being that Poland can't afford to have those bases on their own. That was my main point. |
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| vmc |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
Yes, Poland is growing economically wise, but there's still so much of Poland that is in the dirt with hospitals. I haven't been to Poland in merely two years, not even. I'm speaking from knowing what my sister, who lives in Warszawa, had to go through when pregnant, and the months before it. When my uncle needed emergency surgery on his back but had to wait almost over a year to get it because of the lack of beds in the hospitals and the right equipment (he lives in Grudziaz, btw), my Grandman, who can't get decent medicne, ever (Gdansk) and my uncle who has hearing problems that can never be fixed (Gdynia).
Wasn't meaning to offend, but you have to admit, Poland is still not a well-off country. Technology wise, we're far ahead of America and many other countries, but there are some aspects, a lot of them, that still need tending too. One of them being that Poland can't afford to have those bases on their own. That was my main point. |
I have to agree that healthcare sucks here but it's because of its bad financial system. Read this article for more info about our healthcare (in Polish, unfortunately there are only fragments online, I read the whole article in the newspaper).
As for the military bases, it's clear that if Americans wanted to have their military bases here, they would have to finance them. Who the hell would finance other country's military bases on one's own teritory? |
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