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| SuperFarStucker |
I believe the tendency for women to be more open to homosexuality happens to be an intrinsic effect of culture and is really a testament to the power of culture. We place aesthetic beauty as a value solely reserved for women. Women are "beautiful," guys can be "hot" but never "beautiful." The distinction is not in strict definition but a cultural connotation.
Thus, aesthetic beauty, which is coveted, cannot be truly obtained by a man. Men who engage in such a quest are ultimately met with futility and referred to as either "gay" or "metrosexual" :) Aesthetic Beauty is not just something in the core male Psyche.
It is a valid argument that we instinctively seek the most beautiful "mate" we can because it strengthens the chance for our children to be good looking and thus they will have a better chance of mating as well.
However, our culture places EMPHASIS on seeking external (aesthetic) beauty. More so than our "chemistry" does, by far. It's evident and really cannot be denied.
So, when seeking a mate, females may find that they are attracted to females because culture has always emphasized them as the "beautiful" ones. You could fairly call this a very pedantic and narrow bridge for the entire arguement, but I feel it's a very strong narrow bridge :p
One can, much like I did, put two and two together and figure that this accounts for women's openness to homosexuality as opposed to mens. Of course this is only my opinion on the matter and I don't really have any research to back my assertion, I'm sure other's have went through the same chain of logic and tested it's validity somewhat. The other possible (logical) option happens to be that it's a biological thing. I just happen to believe more strongly in the former.
I think as a nice little anecdote to this "culture is one tough mother ******" theory is to just look how strongly culture has affected the word homosexuality.
Women almost NEVER USE IT describing themselves, it has negative connotations, and thus, isn't used. It's reserved for describing male homosexuals almost exclusively, although its' useage is completely valid in both cases.
Male homosexuality is looked down upon by a far greater percentage than female homosexuality is as well, even though theoretically they are equals. Again, culture throwin' a wrench in it for you. You can even see that in this thread.
Personally while I don't think homosexuality is a bad thing by any means I'm straight and knowing a girl is bisexual is somewhat of a discourager for me. I guess I'm a bit insecure :) Good friends with a few homosexuals though. They don't bite :)
My Verdict:
Beauty (what is considered!) and sexuality are strongly influenced by culture and this happens to be a direct result of said influence.
Live on, drink beer... drive safe (and sober) :)
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| daffodil |
| quote: | Originally posted by SuperFarStucker
I believe the tendency for women to be more open to homosexuality happens to be an intrinsic effect of culture and is really a testament to the power of culture. We place aesthetic beauty as a value solely reserved for women. Women are "beautiful," guys can be "hot" but never "beautiful." The distinction is not in strict definition but a cultural connotation.
Thus, aesthetic beauty, which is coveted, cannot be truly obtained by a man. Men who engage in such a quest are ultimately met with futility and referred to as either "gay" or "metrosexual" :) Aesthetic Beauty is not just something in the core male Psyche.
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i was particularly struck by this because i instantly thought, "untrue!" but then i realized it probably is for the majority of the population. my friends and i have frequently used "beautiful" to describe certain men, and it has nothing to do with them being effeminate in any way. it's also different from being hot or sexy, but still carries the very positive connotations.
after thinking it through, i realized that we are (as per usual) in the minority of the population by making this distinction. we often consider men to be beautiful in the same way we consider women to be beautiful, but we there is no gender reference to the word. in the larger playing field of society though, i would have to agree that most people do not use the word "beautiful" to describe men unless they are trying to add feminine connotations.
very interesting post, particularly the part about separate terms for homosexual men and women. |
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| SuperFarStucker |
| quote: | Originally posted by daffodil
i was particularly struck by this because i instantly thought, "untrue!" but then i realized it probably is for the majority of the population. my friends and i have frequently used "beautiful" to describe certain men, and it has nothing to do with them being effeminate in any way. it's also different from being hot or sexy, but still carries the very positive connotations.
after thinking it through, i realized that we are (as per usual) in the minority of the population by making this distinction. we often consider men to be beautiful in the same way we consider women to be beautiful, but we there is no gender reference to the word. in the larger playing field of society though, i would have to agree that most people do not use the word "beautiful" to describe men unless they are trying to add feminine connotations.
very interesting post, particularly the part about separate terms for homosexual men and women. |
You're actually right that it isn't completely true and as a general rule of thumb I find it's a bad idea to use such absolutism.
I've known more than a few people that use the word beautiful to describe men. Interestingly enough, for me, it's been solely females. Even male homosexuals (that I know) refrain from using the word beautiful to describe people they are attracted to. I'll assume that they happen to be in the minority though as male homosexual subculture seems to be largely based around the search for said aesthetic value in men. However, users of the word on male populace still happen to be in the distinct minority, no matter how you slice it.
Perhaps that's a component in why male homosexuality is less accepted than female. Women are already accepted as beautiful, and thus taking such a venture is far less deviation from cultural mainstream than being attracted to a man, i'll even go as far as conjecturing that female homosexuality/bisexuality has become part of mainstream culture to an extent. I certainly notice that open exhibition of it is becoming more and more common.
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| Orbax |
| This is one of the few times TA has made me feel normal. |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by SuperFarStucker
I believe the tendency for women to be more open to homosexuality happens to be an intrinsic effect of culture and is really a testament to the power of culture. We place aesthetic beauty as a value solely reserved for women. Women are "beautiful," guys can be "hot" but never "beautiful." The distinction is not in strict definition but a cultural connotation.
Thus, aesthetic beauty, which is coveted, cannot be truly obtained by a man. Men who engage in such a quest are ultimately met with futility and referred to as either "gay" or "metrosexual" :) Aesthetic Beauty is not just something in the core male Psyche.
It is a valid argument that we instinctively seek the most beautiful "mate" we can because it strengthens the chance for our children to be good looking and thus they will have a better chance of mating as well.
However, our culture places EMPHASIS on seeking external (aesthetic) beauty. More so than our "chemistry" does, by far. It's evident and really cannot be denied.
So, when seeking a mate, females may find that they are attracted to females because culture has always emphasized them as the "beautiful" ones. You could fairly call this a very pedantic and narrow bridge for the entire arguement, but I feel it's a very strong narrow bridge :p
One can, much like I did, put two and two together and figure that this accounts for women's openness to homosexuality as opposed to mens. Of course this is only my opinion on the matter and I don't really have any research to back my assertion, I'm sure other's have went through the same chain of logic and tested it's validity somewhat. The other possible (logical) option happens to be that it's a biological thing. I just happen to believe more strongly in the former.
I think as a nice little anecdote to this "culture is one tough mother ******" theory is to just look how strongly culture has affected the word homosexuality.
Women almost NEVER USE IT describing themselves, it has negative connotations, and thus, isn't used. It's reserved for describing male homosexuals almost exclusively, although its' useage is completely valid in both cases.
Male homosexuality is looked down upon by a far greater percentage than female homosexuality is as well, even though theoretically they are equals. Again, culture throwin' a wrench in it for you. You can even see that in this thread.
Personally while I don't think homosexuality is a bad thing by any means I'm straight and knowing a girl is bisexual is somewhat of a discourager for me. I guess I'm a bit insecure :) Good friends with a few homosexuals though. They don't bite :)
My Verdict:
Beauty (what is considered!) and sexuality are strongly influenced by culture and this happens to be a direct result of said influence.
Live on, drink beer... drive safe (and sober) :)
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Agreed. I didn't know that Michel Foucault posted on TA.:p
I read the History of Sexuality Vol. 1 last year, it's so great. Kudos! :disbelief |
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| lipstick |
| for me personally, i dont believe culture and media had very much to do with my so called sexual orientation,, women are beautifull, but i think a lot of men are too, i dont think i like women because of that,, the barbie doll, popstar/pornstar, type woman is exactly what turns me off.. and thats what has been portrayed as beauty through culture,,, so i cant say for me personally that is the reason why i like girls,, i think it is more of a biological thing, because i have known ive liked girls since i was 10 or 11.. i think it is purely biological... but i guess thats just me.... |
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| CynepMeH |
| quote: | | [i][b]i'm def bi-curious. a lot of girls are attracted to me, and i must admit i check out women pretty often. and i'll stare too if they are hot! i have kissed quite a few girls, but my main attraction is my bf...although i know hes hoping for a 3some since we both check out girls together |
Your bf must have done something really amazing in his past life to end up with you... :p
Tho I must admit - my wife also checks out other chicks with me and can say things like "I'd do her" but it doesn't get anywhere past the talk... Not even kissing.. damn it! :(
Good topic...:crazy:
BTW, there's a great movie about it - "Sex monster" or something like that. It's hillarious - guy's worst nightmare. This guy convinces his wife to have a bi/3-some experience and she gets completely lesbo on him... Ends up in bed with his friends' wives, his client's wife, even his sister! Talk about sexual experiment gone wrong!
Tho, the sexiest thing I can remember - one of my buddies took his date with us to PvD in central park and after few happy pills the girl started hitting on other girls. Next thing we know she's making out with this hot girl and on the way back, the guy and his date were doing everything but having actual intercourse... Damn the tight rear seats in BMW 328Ci... I didn't get to see the action but from my peripheral vision and sounds - I'd say they had a pretty decent time.:toothless
Can you blame me for wanting to watch??? :D :toothless :eyespop: |
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| SuperFarStucker |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
Agreed. I didn't know that Michel Foucault posted on TA.:p
I read the History of Sexuality Vol. 1 last year, it's so great. Kudos! :disbelief |
never read it... :) Will have to now though.
Although a specific work of Susan Sontag ( I really hope that's the right person :p) got me started on the whole chain of thought. The one where she talks about beauty as a curse for women rather than a gift. That was certainly a lot more true 40 years ago than it is now. These are purely my own conclusions although apparently somebody has already gone down this path and written a nice fat book about it :p |
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| lücid |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancEyes22
good god hunni! i wish that was my tummy! it belongs to the very tasty miss britney spears :tongue2 |
heheh... i sorta thought that at first, but, i had to ask! :toothless
oh, and whoever mentioned Adriana Lima... *high 5* - she is probably THE HOTTEST girl on the planet, mmm! she's got the most gorgeous eyes, and her body is amazing. another Brazilian hottie is Alessandra Ambrosio, who also models for Victoria's Secret.
btw, are there any girls on here who AREN'T bi-curious or bi-sexual? lol... |
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| ambs |
I have to say that I find some guys beautiful, but they need to look a certain way for me to say "he's beautiful"... It's kind of those guys that look too good to be true or have something that sets them apart from the rest of "mankind"... But you are right in saying that it is not often said that men are beautiful...
I also have to admit that I've always felt an attraction to girls but I used to be very afraid to admit it... I thought that people would think I was a lesbian (and a lot of people DO think so) but I absolutely adore men as well... It wasn't until I moved to Holland and met many many people much younger and much older than me who were openly bisexual and I talked to them about it that it didn't need to mean I was bi-sexual but rather bi-curious.... Then again, I must admit also that I have a very strong "sexual appetite" and I'm open for a lot of things...
and yes Adriana Lima is :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: hehehe ;) |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| I'm surprised that there still aren't any omghi2u pics or stfu butsexz0r okthxbye posts. |
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| Slylee |
Been there, done that and got the T-shirt when I was 14/15. Long story, but I fell in love with my best friend from all that , it was a very confusing/frustrating time in my life. I’m all about MEN now (mine in particular) :D It seems to me that most girls claim they are “bi” these days to get attention from men or because it’s the new thing. At least that’s how a lot of the girls are down here. It's so obnoxious.
It's also getting more and more common for men to be bi curious as well. It’s just not as socially acceptable...yet. I could tell a very disturbing story about my weekend that involves all this, but I probably shouldn’t gross any of you out and it's too long to write. |
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