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Palestinian Mother Turns Suicide Bomber for Hamas (pg. 2)
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diji:
there's no need for your "sigh" . Do you think that you're on some massive pedastal where you're forced to educated the masses and "sigh" at the stupidity of those around you? Sometimes it's you that could use the education i'm afraid.
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There are still massive land disputes with the native population in canada. Don't you remember Oaka? There is always some native protests sometimes esclating to violence. My job is to fly native people in and out of their reserve structure. I can tell you that there is still animosity between the natives and the whites. "you white get off our land" "you white you kill my people" etc. All over the world there are animosities between any country which has lost land. To say that it's not valid because it's been 1, 10, or 100yrs means nothing. It's called opression. If you've lost something due to someone else and they don't give it back people tend to fight. |
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| Palestinian |
If you think that the natives of Canada put the past behind them, then you're dead wrong. As a matter of fact, they identify with the Palestinians and link the two tragedies together. It's funny that you mention that because in the coming month a Native speaker will be coming to York University to link the two conflicts. The fact that people still fight injustice after losing a war is a sign of strength. Palestinians are also fighting to exist. How would you like it if I told you to get over the Holocaust. They burned six million of you, so stop whining and get over it! How does that feel? Very painful, I'll bet.
It is legitimate under International Law to kill Israeli soldiers. And yes it is fair to brand the entire Israeli military. It is an oppressive and terrorist institution bent on genocide and ethnic cleansing. We have the right to kill and mutilate every one of them until they leave our land.
One more thing. You imply that we should accept that we lost the war and get over it. Well sure, we have tried to do that. We want Israeli citizenship and will accept it any day any time! But if Israel won't grant us citizenship because their fear of being the minority (and fear of democracy, essentially), then they're the ones who can't get over the results of the war. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
If you think that the natives of Canada put the past behind them, then you're dead wrong. As a matter of fact, they identify with the Palestinians and link the two tragedies together. It's funny that you mention that because in the coming month a Native speaker will be coming to York University to link the two conflicts. The fact that people still fight injustice after losing a war is a sign of strength. Palestinians are also fighting to exist. How would you like it if I told you to get over the Holocaust. They burned six million of you, so stop whining and get over it! How does that feel? Very painful, I'll bet.
It is legitimate under International Law to kill Israeli soldiers. And yes it is fair to brand the entire Israeli military. It is an oppressive and terrorist institution bent on genocide and ethnic cleansing. We have the right to kill and mutilate every one of them until they leave our land.
One more thing. You imply that we should accept that we lost the war and get over it. Well sure, we have tried to do that. We want Israeli citizenship and will accept it any day any time! But if Israel won't grant us citizenship because their fear of being the minority (and fear of democracy, essentially), then they're the ones who can't get over the results of the war. |
Nice post Palestinian.
Im in total agreeance with you. I beleive that like terrorists who kill innocents, IDF soldiers should also be treated like terrorists for doing the same exact thing.
Killing innocents is the result of bad judgement, whether you are an Israeli or a palestinian, doesnt change a thing one bit in my eyes. |
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| failsafe |
| as long as the suicide attacks stick to MILITARY targets then fair is fair. The second you target a disco, a bus, a market you cross the line. Infact you go jumping across the line deep into terror. You go from fighting for freedom, to a lowly terrorist. Hammas, etc would have far better results if they could just stick the military stuff. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by failsafe
as long as the suicide attacks stick to MILITARY targets then fair is fair. The second you target a disco, a bus, a market you cross the line. Infact you go jumping across the line deep into terror. You go from fighting for freedom, to a lowly terrorist. Hammas, etc would have far better results if they could just stick the military stuff. |
Huh? No that's still not just. Hamas disguising themselves as civilians to attack military targets is AS justifiable as Israeli air attacks against Hamas targets in civilian populated areas. It's the same twisted logic ...
The geneva conventions exist to PROTECT civilians. By disguising yourself as a civilian you subject them to danger and violate said protections. The other side then takes measures that are harmful to supposed civilians who should be protected. None of it is legitimate. |
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| failsafe |
american special forces boot around afghanistan dressed as herders. I guess the hauge should crack down on the yanks then?
the fact is the people are agasint the occupation. do you really think that the people are going to put on uniforms? of course not. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by failsafe
american special forces boot around afghanistan dressed as herders. I guess the hauge should crack down on the yanks then?
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That then violates the geneva conventions. Sources? And when we are talking about the third geneva convention we are of course referring to armed attacks carried out in the guise of civilian status?
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the fact is the people are agasint the occupation. do you really think that the people are going to put on uniforms? of course not. |
No but that does not justify their actions. If it DOES, than the typical Israeli/anybody response of prosecuting said action with extreme prejudice is equally as justified. Is that the case then? |
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| failsafe |
| I'll have a look and see if I can find a pic of the special forces riding around on camels and . It was in time magazine about a year ago. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by failsafe
I'll have a look and see if I can find a pic of the special forces riding around on camels and . It was in time magazine about a year ago. |
Well it is not illegal to carry out intelligence or travel in civilan guise. It IS illegal, however, to carry out planned attacks by disguising oneself as a civilian. |
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| occrider |
Yet you fail to establish the case for a violation of geneva convenctions. Are these soldiers deliberately disguising themselves as civilans in order to carry out deceptive, armed attacks against enemy combatants. If the bar were lowered to simply DRESSING in disguise then one could hold World war 2 era British, American, and CANADIAN troops as violators of the Geneva convention in conducting covert intelligence operations against the germans.
The geneva conventions do not specify that at all. |
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| failsafe |
military objectives of Operation Enduring Freedom, as articulated by President George W. Bush in his Sept. 20th Address to a Joint Session of Congress and his Oct. 7th address to country, include the destruction of terrorist training camps and infrastructure within Afghanistan, the capture of al Qaeda leaders, and the cessation of terrorist activities in Afghanistan
clearly you're not versed with american special forces tactics. The american SOG, and many other units operated in vietnamese clothing for nearly the entire war. Read up on the Pheionx program if you want a quick history on american violation of the geneva convetion. Torture, killing of civilans, blackmail, etc were every day occurances. In specific read up on "the bell telephone hour". |
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