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John Howard, Leader or follower? (pg. 2)
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
By the way, this would be better in the Aussie forum IMO, a lot of these ignorant yanks won't have a clue who he is. :p |
:rolleyes:
Here's what I think:
Aussies have no place to criticize Bush with that man as their leader.
| quote: | Originally posted by Matt Jay
And a bloke who got drunk and 'manhandled' another MP :stongue: |
Hehe. You guys need to sort youselves out, as do we. |
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| tubby |
of course we can criticise bush. at least oz didn't give an idiot leader access to a huge military that's bored and looking for something to do, or to nuclear weapons.
actually, the more you think about it, the more it makes sense to push for steve waugh as PM. the sledging might upset a few countries though |
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| rupert |
As Pauly from Fat Pizza would say "he's a stooge"
As much as I respect many of their economic policies like balancing the debt and introducing the GST, him and his cronies sold out our country to the United States. In my book, a man who puts the interests of another country ahead of his own, theres only one word for that sort of person - TRAITOR.
Michelle Grattan in the Age said that their were conversations way back in 2002 between Australia and the United States with regards to invading Iraq. Which means that it was never about the weapons of mass destruction. Going to the UN, the weapons inspectors, it was all a waste of time, the USA was going to attack Iraq regardless and guess who is along for the ride Australia. Just like in Vietnam. In other words Prime Minister Howard deliberately lied so that he could be a good ally to his liege lord.
I will never, never NEVER vote for the liberals. NEVER. From recollection it cost the Australian taxpayer 500 Million dollars for its contribution to this Iraq fiasco. Thats my taxpayer dollars spent to benefit the USA, not me.
I swear if a liberal party candidate comes to my door looking to promote themselves in the upcoming elections, I am going to tell them what a "worthless, treacherous, treasonous, cowardly piece of garbage he really is"
Sorry Ive had a bad day and thinking about John Howard really makes my blood boil. |
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| Hard_NRG |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
I can't stand the man, follower without a doubt.
By the way, this would be better in the Aussie forum IMO, a lot of these ignorant yanks won't have a clue who he is. :p |
That is one of the main reasons why i chose to post this here.
Howard talks so much of the US, wanted to see how many Americans actually know of him ;) |
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| arctic |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSaenz
:rolleyes:
Here's what I think:
Aussies have no place to criticize Bush with that man as their leader. |
Eugghhh, you Americans need to learn to recognize wry Aussie humor instead of rolling your eyes at me. :p
Cease this eye rolling! :thepirate
On the criticism point, I think we do, his bad policies and 'me too!' attitude aside, at least he can speak English properly. ;) |
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| tathi |
johnie is an obsequious sycophant, i have so much trouble hiding my contempt for that pathetic little man, his policies are solely commited to keeping his party in power rather than the good of the nation, his a filthy liar
One of the major differences between Australians and Americans is our implicit recalcitrance, george is the USA's most admired man, Johnie was booed by 80,000 people at the NRL Grand Final.
This means johnie can't just overtly lie to the public like george can, he has had to become more sneaky and collusive, and i admit he has a real talent for it.
Your question: "John howard a leader or follower"
he is a follower in the area of foreign policy, and i would call him a "manager" instead of a leader in local issues. I think you can also ask the same question of george though, his not a leader, his a puppet, his head is hollow and he has a nose that Pinocchio would envy. So who is the puppet master? |
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| Matt Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by tathi Johnie was booed by 80,000 people at the NRL Grand Final.
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What politician doesn't get booed? :stongue: |
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| Hard_NRG |
| quote: | Originally posted by tathi
johnie is an obsequious sycophant, i have so much trouble hiding my contempt for that pathetic little man, his policies are solely commited to keeping his party in power rather than the good of the nation, his a filthy liar
One of the major differences between Australians and Americans is our implicit recalcitrance, george is the USA's most admired man, Johnie was booed by 80,000 people at the NRL Grand Final.
This means johnie can't just overtly lie to the public like george can, he has had to become more sneaky and collusive, and i admit he has a real talent for it.
Your question: "John howard a leader or follower"
he is a follower in the area of foreign policy, and i would call him a "manager" instead of a leader in local issues. I think you can also ask the same question of george though, his not a leader, his a puppet, his head is hollow and he has a nose that Pinocchio would envy. So who is the puppet master? |
Very well said :) Do u think Mark Latham will be able to defeat him in the next election? |
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| tathi |
| if Crean abdicated a little earlier i think Latham would have a very good chance, now you've just got to hope for the best :/ |
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| b1_ |
He's most definately a leader guys.
All you've got to do is look at his handling of the boat people to see that. I don't think anyone thought the way he's handled that situation was the right thing to do, and yet there are no more refugees drowning in the Timor Sea are there? Only a trickle of illegal immigrants are now risking their lives to reach Australia. They're forced to go through legitimate, non-life threatening avenues, which there are plenty of I might add.
I don't see any problem with Howard's Iraq policy either. I never thought he was just doing what Bush told him. Who gives a whether there were WMDs. You don't think Saddam would have started up a new program once the heat was off. The UN had already found and recorded tonnes of the stuff in the 90's that have never been found. Where is it? Saddam said it was destroyed. Do you think he destroyed it all spontaniously one evening because he suddenly grew a concience? Get real. He'd gassed, murdered and gagged his own people for decades. The time of politically correct international diplomacy was over. Too many people had already died because of inaction as it was.
The economy is very healthy (one of the best in the world in fact) because Howard has done some very unpopular cost cutting that has turned out to have been good for us I think.
You can just tell when he speaks that he's not trying to say what he thinks will get him the most votes. You may not agree with him but you've gotta respect him. I almost felt sorry for that whiny voiced Crean - hopefully Latham can have a little more gravitas about him.
Also, Howard never gets sucked into any foreign tit-for-tats with idiots like Mahatir. I think he conveys himself well on the international stage, with allies and countries that aren't so friendly aswell, like Indonesia.
Now don't get me wrong, I've never voted for him and never will, mainly because he's raped the education system (whether doing it is good for the economy or not it's still wrong). He's far too old and conservative as far as I'm concerned, but I still can't help but respect him.
Hopefully our next Prime Minister will be younger, like Latham. Would be nice. |
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| tathi |
well there isn't any dissent within his own party, as for the economy i was under the impression that Keating's macroeconomic reforms, including floating of the dollar, tax reform and substantial cuts in tarrifs did more for the economy than Johnies GST etc.
we need sensei renegade to give us a lesson in auseconomics ;)
edit: typo |
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| ProDiGaL |
I love seeing johny standing next to bush, hes 100% suck up.
oh and on the boat ppl, if you recall he wone he's last election by telling us these nasty immigrants were throing their children in the water and the ignorant public swallowed it all up as usual. He injected fear into the public of "THOSE MAD IMIGRANTS" and won an election......he basicly picked up where pauline left off...... |
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