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| Maaz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Romain
The guide is instructive, but 1 thing got me in a quite bad mood 1st time i was there:
seeing Ferry Corsten (with the track Elevate) or The Thrillseekers in the "not trance - crap" section. |
Believe it or not, it belongs there: and you're hearing it from someone who likes that kind of music.
Keep in mind that trance was something completely different. A modern tendency of trance was to become housey: progressive trance is trance being housey, nrg was hard acid trance being UK hard housey and epic trance is an (evolution/reaction) (of/to) 90's eurodance.
As you can all remember, Eurodance was some sort of "pop edm". The emphasis was on the singers and the producers (who were doing most of the work) were ignored in the mainstream: that's why many eurodance groups are known by the singer's name. Progressive trance had as its mean goal, the will to make trance sound housey. After Rober Miles hit the charts with Children, producers realised they could have the spotlight. The detuned saw waves from eurodance fitted perfectly in the new genre, and the old 4 bar choruses, with pointless lyrics was replaced by 16 bar complex melodies, which showed the producers' musical skills. By this time, trance had become something completely different from the ultra-repetitive music that was born in Germany.
This is why he labels Ferry Corsten as "not trance", and the only reason why I call it trance too, is because I can't find a better name.
Fortunately, I've been seeing what I call a 2nd wave of Epic trance, like "Frenzy" from Haak, which goes back to what trance used to be one day. As everything seems to be cyclical in this life, I really hope this is trance going back to what it's once been, but evolved :) |
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| diffusion |
| quote: | Originally posted by TwoPlow
I disagree. |
Why? What's wrong with Ishkur? He's got nice view on things.
Except when he's bashing trance :D But that's funny anyways. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Ishkur's guide is the best place to look: for all its opinions it is almost entirely accurate. Just because he doesn't share your opinions doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about. Quite frankly, the only reason he gets so much stick is because people treat the guide like the "be all and end all" of music, when his disclaimer clearly states that you aren't to take it too seriously. |
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| nadezhda |
| i think that guide is hilarious. it's uber opinionated, and even though i love prog and he says it's for elitist s, the description is great! maybe that's cos i don't take it seriously ;) |
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| Anno Domino |
he is so funny
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Maaz
Yeah, that's quite true. I remember in some thread Ishkur and I were defending the guide while YaleTrance was defending modern trance. He did build his argument on facts, and did not state just an opinion (i.e. he didn't say "it rules because it's good" nor "it sucks because I say so").
Don't get me wrong, I still like trance (specially nrg, since I'm a bit fed up with epic trance producers), but if you read carefully, you'll realise Ishkur has a point. |
Well what I meant is that's I've put up my share of defenses for Ishkur's guide too (such as in this thread). |
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| Stories |
| , I never realized the immense amount of classifications of sounds that have come about over the course of the years. Seems fairly informative, despite the intense hatred towards a lot of the newer genres of music (in particular the trance section). |
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| Maaz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Well what I meant is that's I've put up my share of defenses for Ishkur's guide too (such as in this thread). |
Ah, I remember that thread :) I guess he's saying who defended trance so far, not who defended the guide.
Ironically, till this day, more people defended the guide (with serious posts, that is). |
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| mongeone |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pete Mitchell
Goa - 138-150bpm usually.weird sounds,noises (water dripping,babies crying,frogs croaking,helicopter rotors,outer space effects etc) all sampled.sometimes synthy and trancey at times.synth runs go in an ascending and descending order.goes up then comes all the way back down.as if the sound is coming towards you then it speeds past.......
very experimental.sometimes incorporates the old radio fones (i think thats wot u call them) into the music giving it a somewhat 1960's feel ie:psychedelic.alot of filtering and paning effects used giving an almost futuristic feel.all with deep deep pounding basslines.with great melodies too.
Damn thats a hard genre to difine lol :p |
with that description it sounds like you could make a couple of hundred versions of the same song and thats about it. |
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| SuperFarStucker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
50 million complaints about my guide on this forum, and only one person--ONE PERSON OUT OF ALL OF YOU--has ever been able to put up any kind of defensible argument, and that's YaleTrance.
What the hell is the matter with you people? Are you all really that hopeless? I thought you're supposed to be "TRANCE ADDICTS". |
That's spot on, but I'd say mostly because it's not a very defensible position. Trance, on the whole, has been reduced to fluffy formulaic drivel and, well, that's [pretty much] exactly what you say, so what is there to argue with :) |
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| Hard_NRG |
| I thought this was a good guide until i saw the definition of 'not trance a.k.a. crap'.. Why on earth do you have overdrive by scot project there?? When i saw scot project one time, he played this song and people just went insane.. there wasnt one person in the room not dancing.. this was some 2 years after its release. This is probably the best example of hard trance you will ever find and by labelling it as 'crap' proves that your guide isnt a very credible one. |
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