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Numark TTX1 Digital vs. Technics SL1210 MK2 (pg. 2)
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I have a TT-X1 and a TECH M3D.
And you wonder why I have one of each, right?
Well, a lot of club events (the ones that i play at) sometimes have 2 TT-X1s or 2 TECHS. I got one of each because I want to be proficient with both. The way I'm explaining this probably doesn't make sense. I think it'll make me a better all around DJ if I know how to use both, 'cuz you can assume that all venues have TECHS but sometimes they'll surprise you.
Right now, if I had to get rid of one of 'em...I wouldn't. Kinda sucks that I have mis-matched tables but that's not the point.
You can't go wrong if you choose one or the other. |
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| Nemesis44 |
I read some of those reviews on the djthingywotsit site and I wouldn't take them too seriously for either deck if I were you.
There is a reason why the Tech is the industry standard and that's partly because that's what DJs will ask for. And in part durability. I have seen Techs get really abused in so many ways over the years but still keep on working. To be fair even they break down from time to time but it will nearly always be due to miss use.
Personally I think the Numark looks more like a toy than a tool and it also looks as if it's 'breakable'. It comes with a load of crap you don't need and looks butt ugly in my opinion.
I have played in a lot of places in the UK and Europe and it's always feels good to find a set of 1200/1210s in front of you. You know exactly how they will react, you know what they do and they do it well.
Ok, so the Numark's got enough torque to rip your arm off.. so what? It's great if you intend on using it to power farming machinery but good for little else.
The Techs have more than you will ever need, and the majority of the functions on the Numark are mostly used to justify a higher price than it's really worth.
OK... enough humour, let's get real for a sec. :)
Analogue is the most beautiful sound quality in the world... why do we want digital?
Think if it like this:
The Numark is cheaper than the Tech by a little bit. It also offers more functions and gadgets. Ask yourself, when does a corporation like Numark ever feel like giving us anything for free? The answer is never. They must be making their money some how and it's usually by cutting costs on parts. With lower cost usually comes lower quality. With a higher complexity matched with lower quality the end result is a greater potential for problems.
No where do you get more for less without there being a catch.
Also, if you decide to join the likes of Freak and myself (and some of the other guys) as proffessional DJs then you will know what to expect from the decks you will get to play on.
I genuinely beleive you will be making a better choice by going with the Techs.
Cheers
Nem
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You can actually change the colour of the LEDs on the Techs too. |
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| SlickT |
| my dad had an old technics player that just died out a few years ago(he got it in the 70's) so i gave him my old gemini turntable :haha: |
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| theb |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
I read some of those reviews on the djthingywotsit site and I wouldn't take them too seriously for either deck if I were you.
There is a reason why the Tech is the industry standard and that's partly because that's what DJs will ask for. And in part durability. I have seen Techs get really abused in so many ways over the years but still keep on working. To be fair even they break down from time to time but it will nearly always be due to miss use.
Personally I think the Numark looks more like a toy than a tool and it also looks as if it's 'breakable'. It comes with a load of crap you don't need and looks butt ugly in my opinion.
I have played in a lot of places in the UK and Europe and it's always feels good to find a set of 1200/1210s in front of you. You know exactly how they will react, you know what they do and they do it well.
Ok, so the Numark's got enough torque to rip your arm off.. so what? It's great if you intend on using it to power farming machinery but good for little else.
The Techs have more than you will ever need, and the majority of the functions on the Numark are mostly used to justify a higher price than it's really worth.
OK... enough humour, let's get real for a sec. :)
Analogue is the most beautiful sound quality in the world... why do we want digital?
Think if it like this:
The Numark is cheaper than the Tech by a little bit. It also offers more functions and gadgets. Ask yourself, when does a corporation like Numark ever feel like giving us anything for free? The answer is never. They must be making their money some how and it's usually by cutting costs on parts. With lower cost usually comes lower quality. With a higher complexity matched with lower quality the end result is a greater potential for problems.
No where do you get more for less without there being a catch.
Also, if you decide to join the likes of Freak and myself (and some of the other guys) as proffessional DJs then you will know what to expect from the decks you will get to play on.
I genuinely beleive you will be making a better choice by going with the Techs.
Cheers
Nem
PS
You can actually change the colour of the LEDs on the Techs too. |
thanks for that in depth anyalsis! I think I'll go with the 1210 MK2's :)
Thanks for all the info guys its helped a lot! :) |
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| trancinchink |
| quote: | | The Numark is cheaper than the Tech by a little bit. It also offers more functions and gadgets. Ask yourself, when does a corporation like Numark ever feel like giving us anything for free? The answer is never. They must be making their money some how and it's usually by cutting costs on parts. With lower cost usually comes lower quality. With a higher complexity matched with lower quality the end result is a greater potential for problems. |
i understand what you are saying about how the ttx's are cheaper and i realize that you are a professional who has been at it for years. but have you ever even considered the fact that technics may have been overcharging for their product all these years and that because they have been the standard thats the price people will always expect a good turntable to cost. and perhaps numark has realized that for about 50-75 bucks less (depending where u buy from) they can offer the same quality equipment and still make money? i know a great deal about business (from my dad) and often companies who are behind and smaller need to cut their profits at certain times in order for them to grow and expand. the only real way numark can make money is if they become a better company with better products that beat out their competitors whether that be turntables, mixers, etc. so if you think they are only worried about the money in their pocket, i'm sure they realize the only way to make bank is to be the best and thats not gonna happen with them trying to rip us off. in fact ttx's have been tested and they apparently are just as solid as technics in the construction aspect. (ttx's actually weigh more). as i stated before the only problem i see so far with ttx's are the electronics of it. in which the led screen can break or something along those lines. i just dont understand why people who have only SEEN the ttx's are badmouthing it. give them a chance before you decide to call their quality cheap or if you think the company is ripping us off with crappy parts. :rolleyes: (btw this isn't an argument, its a statement.) ;) |
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| theb |
dammit i had decided on Technics but now I dunno again ! lol
Can somene post the cheapest prices in the UK the've seen for a pair of each please. Wheres best online to buy from? |
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| trancinchink |
| lol... honestly... if u really cant decide just get whichever one you can find for cheaper. i'm sure you can find a pair of used technics somewhere for cheaper but i doubt u'll find ttx's for anything much cheaper than what stores are selling cuz they're still relatively new. |
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| theb |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancinchink
lol... honestly... if u really cant decide just get whichever one you can find for cheaper. i'm sure you can find a pair of used technics somewhere for cheaper but i doubt u'll find ttx's for anything much cheaper than what stores are selling cuz they're still relatively new. |
na not going for 2nd hand. |
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| Vero |
theb, unfortunately for you, i think you were expecting the majority of people on this board to tell you to go with one or the other. this topic has been debated on here more times than i can count, and there is still no concensus on what the best turntable is.
go with your gut. buy the turntable that feels right to you. you are the one that will be spinning on them, not any of us. take into consideration all of the functions of the turntable, and do you need all of those functions. and dont worry too much about how it looks. its not there to look pretty (but personally i think techs are beautiful), they are there to play records. take into consideration how long you think you are gonna have these. you have to feel the truntable, and then decide which one feels like it fits you the best.
i think that nothing feels more solid or stable than a 1200, but then again that is my opinion and you need to make up your own opinion.
cheers- |
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| uxud |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ1MK
The only thing that has really annoyed me is the fact that they only go in .1% pitch adjust. |
Seriously? Or do you just mean the pitch display?
I've always loved TTX1 over the 1200s (even though I own the latter), but I never noticed this on the few times I've used them.
If this is true, it would be a really really really good reason to not use the TTX. |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancinchink
i understand what you are saying about how the ttx's are cheaper and i realize that you are a professional who has been at it for years. but have you ever even considered the fact that technics may have been overcharging for their product all these years and that because they have been the standard thats the price people will always expect a good turntable to cost. and perhaps numark has realized that for about 50-75 bucks less (depending where u buy from) they can offer the same quality equipment and still make money? i know a great deal about business (from my dad) and often companies who are behind and smaller need to cut their profits at certain times in order for them to grow and expand. the only real way numark can make money is if they become a better company with better products that beat out their competitors whether that be turntables, mixers, etc. so if you think they are only worried about the money in their pocket, i'm sure they realize the only way to make bank is to be the best and thats not gonna happen with them trying to rip us off. in fact ttx's have been tested and they apparently are just as solid as technics in the construction aspect. (ttx's actually weigh more). as i stated before the only problem i see so far with ttx's are the electronics of it. in which the led screen can break or something along those lines. i just dont understand why people who have only SEEN the ttx's are badmouthing it. give them a chance before you decide to call their quality cheap or if you think the company is ripping us off with crappy parts. :rolleyes: (btw this isn't an argument, its a statement.) ;) |
This is a well put point and I have full respect for you taking the time to give a good and well thought out answer. :)
Ironically in this case I actually think that the move that would benefit Numark the most would be to bring out a deck that actually costs a bit more than the Tech. Another thing you will find in business is that if you charge less than a competitor for something that is the same or equal to their product, market research has shown that the consumer would also think less of it in a lot of cases. Where as if you charged more (Within reason) it would gain prestige.
One of the record shops I go to has these Numarks as their listening decks and I have played around with them on countless ocassions so I am familiar with them and I have played once or twice with them at illeagal parties too.
I have noticed people making a fuss about them being heavy, but to be honest I can't see why that would be a good thing.
The other thing is that the gimmicks on the deck are really of no use to a DJ.
The BPM counter is counterproductive to a young DJs skill development if he decides on using it. A seasoned DJ (and I don't mean covered in herbs) shouldn't need one. Or if he does then he needs shooting.
The function that keeps the pitch/key the same whilst you change the speed is not completely accurate and it does things to the sound that creates problems while mixing. Just out if interest if you compare what you are paying for a deck in comparison to the software that does this in a studio. You probably couldn't get two decks for the price of that software package, the difference being that the studio version works properly. My point being is, this type of technology is expensive and anything that would cost as little as those decks just isn't going to have a particularly good version of it.
Straight tone arms are primarily for Turntablists and not dance DJs. Although I seem to recal you had the option with the deck.
It does convert analogue to digital signal but then again so does anything the helps you record onto CDs or hard drives so again it's not a must have.
Is the Technics over priced. Yup probably, but then look at the Vestax decks or the top end Stantons.
I think the most over priced deck is the M5G. Total waste of money as I see it.
In comparison the Technics Mk II is good value for money. You get reliability and all the functions you will currently need.
Numark have been around for a long time and they don't just do DJ equipment although they do have other names for those companies. Their target audience is different to the Technics people as they are aiming for the bedroom DJs not the clubs.
The Technics 1200 was originally designed to meet the demands of public broadcasting on radio and so on. It had to be reliable or it would never have been marketable as such.
A friend of mine has a pair that are almost 20 years old. They have been mine for about 6 years and another friends for almost 10 years before that. We have all been turntablists and have also played out with them. There isn't much in this day and age that is built to handle stuff like that. It's usually against business practice these days to build something like that as it breaks the retail loop. Another fact about business in a consumer based society.
Just out of interest Trancinchink I notice that you don't claim to own a pair? Do you or at least have experience using them? Meant as a genuine question not an offensive statement. :)
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What Vero said is true (ironically 'vero' also means true in Italian ;)) It's up to you to decide.
What I would do if I were you Theb is try them both. Go to a shop (if you have the option)and have a look around. Play with the pitch control, touch the platter etc. You will see that they are two very different beasts in both appearance and feel. Go for the one you like best (Pretty obvious he he).
The Technics 1200/1210 is the ultimate symbol of the DJ culture.
If you decide that DJing is not for you then you get a much better 2nd hand value for a 1200 than a Numark and that's the truth Ruth! :)
The choice is ultimately yours Theb.
Good luck and let us know how you go.
Cheers
Nem |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by uxud
Seriously? Or do you just mean the pitch display?
I've always loved TTX1 over the 1200s (even though I own the latter), but I never noticed this on the few times I've used them.
If this is true, it would be a really really really good reason to not use the TTX. |
Actually I think the pitch moves just like the Technics it's just the display that only registers the change for every .1 if you see what I mean.
Cheers
Nem |
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