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| Darrax |
I just wanted to know your thoughts on mastering and clipping.
I can master a tune with no clipping at all only to find you then have little volume on the track itself. Does anyone think it is worth having a little bit of clipping at the top end on the song just so you can get that extra volume?
Darrax... :rolleyes: |
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| BelgianGuru |
| I don't know dude. I don't get it at all anymore with the mastering and final mixdown. I'm taking a vacation, and when I get back I'll read up on it. What I got is, inside my sequencer NOTHING is clipping. Sure the kick is gently turning red in the leds, but not clipping. But then I do the mixdown, and I open it in soundforge.. Omg ? It's totally clipping in there, not for a moment does the slider drop out of the top red mark :( Gets fixed when I turn down the volume of course, but still, freaky as hell |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Darrax
I just wanted to know your thoughts on mastering and clipping.
I can master a tune with no clipping at all only to find you then have little volume on the track itself. Does anyone think it is worth having a little bit of clipping at the top end on the song just so you can get that extra volume?
Darrax... :rolleyes: |
Never ever make your tune clip. Trust me, it's not good. |
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| halo |
| Ever thought about using a Limiter in your mixdown cannel. Ceiling set to 0dB then carefully raise your volume till it's just about to limit... maybe use a little soft limiting for that extra tick of loudness. |
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| DeZmA |
exactly..
everybody has a volume knob
nobody has a quit clipping knob
go figure |
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| Darrax |
| quote: | Originally posted by halo
Ever thought about using a Limiter in your mixdown cannel. Ceiling set to 0dB then carefully raise your volume till it's just about to limit... maybe use a little soft limiting for that extra tick of loudness. |
Now that seems like a really god idea. :)
I am going to mix down a few of my tunes now using that tip and see what they sound like and how bad the clipping is after that. Thanks mate! :happy2:
Darrax... |
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| Darrax |
Fecking hell, such a simple tip and yet such a amazing result! :eyespop:
Thanks Halo! ;)
Darrax... |
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| thecYrus |
| ... or try multiband compressors.. |
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| FuzzyGreen |
Are you talking about analog or digital clipping?
If you are talking about digital then you should make sure that your levels never hit 0 db otherwise you will get distortion.
If you are talking about analog recording hardware you can get away with +3 or even +6 on some high end equipment.
If you don't have a limiter just use a compressor and set the threshold to 0.1db and the ratio to 1:100 or however high it will go. That will give you the same result. Basically you are compressing the hell out of anything higher then 0.1db. |
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| Darrax |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Are you talking about analog or digital clipping?
If you are talking about digital then you should make sure that your levels never hit 0 db otherwise you will get distortion.
If you are talking about analog recording hardware you can get away with +3 or even +6 on some high end equipment. |
I am talking about digital mastering and cliping. But wait it gets better, now I have just found something called "Soft Clip" in Cubase SX 2. This is a quote from the help file...
" Soft Clip is designed to ensure that the output level never exceeds 0dB, like a limiter. Soft Clip, however, acts differently compared to a conventional limiter. When the signal level exceeds -6dB, SoftClip starts limiting (or clipping) the signal "softly", at the same time generating harmonics which add a warm, tubelike characteristic to the audio material. "
It is so good and easy to use. :D
Does anyone think, or has anyone tried for that matter putting a limiter or soft clip on each audio part insted of the main mix channel. And would that make any difference to the sound?
Darrax... |
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| BelgianGuru |
| I think if you apply it to every channel it would be better. That way you apply it to just the channels that may cause the clipping. And no need to hurt the other ones. At least that's what I'm planning on doing. |
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| Luke Terry |
| make the tune as loud as u want, then get it down to just below the clip level for final export, then master/compress it to increase loudness after the production is complete, should that be necessary |
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