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Final Scratch Laptop (pg. 2)
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| DJ Kibon |
| I can see some of the attraction to the FS set-up though - no possibility of losing all of your vinyl due to theft, airport mix-ups, etc. |
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| Vero |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Kibon
I can see some of the attraction to the FS set-up though - no possibility of losing all of your vinyl due to theft, airport mix-ups, etc. |
yeah untill your computer takes a dump and you have to reformat your HD and loose all your music. or your hard drive dies, thats allways fun too.
ill stick with my vinyl thank you. |
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| `pr0digy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vero
yeah untill your computer takes a dump and you have to reformat your HD and loose all your music. or your hard drive dies, thats allways fun too.
ill stick with my vinyl thank you. |
Hm, you could back up your drives, which wouldn't cost all that extra... |
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| Spin Doctor |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Kibon
I can see some of the attraction to the FS set-up though |
Not having to buy music ever again? |
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| Stories |
PC/Linux, PIII, 500 MHz, 128 MB RAM requirements, then yeah I can run it. I got my laptop last year, but then again, I'm a college kid that needs this laptop for school. Err... I know it's a bit off the current topic, but thought I'd get it back on topic! :)
My specs: P4 1.7GHz, 512MB RAM, Audigy 2 NX (think that's all for running this type of thing). |
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| chrismack |
I've seen PVD do an entire set using FS... To be honest, it totally rocked. Mid-way through the night, a couple of my buddies mentioned that they had never heard mixing the way it was being done (in a positive way) and I think it was the result of the power of Final Scratch and how much more flexible it allows a DJ to be...
I'm thinking of buying it, but may wait to read a review of the new system mentioned at the top of this page... The linux part of FS scares me silly. |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by chrismack
I've seen PVD do an entire set using FS... To be honest, it totally rocked. Mid-way through the night, a couple of my buddies mentioned that they had never heard mixing the way it was being done (in a positive way) and I think it was the result of the power of Final Scratch and how much more flexible it allows a DJ to be...
I'm thinking of buying it, but may wait to read a review of the new system mentioned at the top of this page... The linux part of FS scares me silly. |
What PVD does is actually something that isn't possible with CD's or records unless you have them specially made. Although to be fair, to be able to to it you would need to know the producers who made the track (as PVD does) to be able to get your hands on the files as he has. You could do it with CDs actually if you new the producers but it would be harder (and more fun).
It really isn't that special. All it is, is playing the vocal track and rythm track and whatever else at the same time. Then cutting them down at the right moment. Something that is usually done in studio. It's also much easier to prepare this sort of stuff on FS so that actual skill that goes into it is minimal.
What you need to know is that this has been done by real DJs too with real records and the results can be monstrous. You guys sound like you need to hear a set by Carl Cox or Eddie Halliwel.
As an old turntablist I have used three and four decks at a time so don't find this particularly amazing.
What makes it better when done by vinyl guys is that you know they have taken three different records by different artists and stuck them together... that's skill. Not getting parts of the same track and chopping them about.
From what I have heard you can actually save pitch settings and stuff on Traktor so you don't in theory have to do any beatmatching. That isn't skill, that's crap. Get a Juke box if that's what you want.
The thing I really hate about FS is that it is that it gives you short cuts to skills that you don't have. I guess that's me as a purist DJ speaking but it's what I feel. I do however accept that there are former vinyl DJs out there who carry over their skills and get more creative. But the fact remains that they are really not doing anything that hasn't been done before by a vinyl DJ.
You often get smug people who say that us purists are just standing in the way of progress but the point is that it isn't progress. It's just making it easier for less able people to DJ well. That's not progress that's striving for mediocrity. DJing is all about supremacy. Put it this way, if you had guy A using final scratch at a party and he was doing some bits with samples and so on. Ok it would sound great and people would enjoy it. Then you have guy B who comes in and does everything guy A did but does it all live with vinyl. All the DJs in the place would know who the better of the two was. And there's a good chance ordinary folk would see that too. It also feeds the vibe of the place, people like to know that they have a skilled guy incharge.
Just because a particular type of technology is possible it doesn't mean it's right. The real focus shouldn't be on the method of play the media it should be on the mixers. Stuff you can do with the sound that comes out of it etc.
I'm sorry folks... I don't like FS.:nervous: Still living with the disapointment of seeing MIKE do a set on traktor. Yup he did it well, but it wasn't the same and the sound was crap. And I know he wasn't using MP3s, so don't blame it on that.
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| chrismack |
I respect your opinion... but don't totally agree either.
I do agree that if an unskilled DJ uses technology to offer a set that they wouldn't normally be able to master without technology, then the tool they are using makes them appear better than they actually are.
If, on the other hand technology enables a great DJ to do even better stuff, then that technology is an enabler.
To put it in other terms, digital animation allows ty animators to make crappy movies quickly. It also allows skilled animators to do wonderful things. Software like quark allows any would-be designer to make a passable poster - it also enables an amazing designer to go so far beyond what a pad and markers would have allowed a designer to dream only 20 years ago.
We can't dismiss technology and say that the way we used to do things is beter and more "pure." in fact, there are a lot of people who argue that electronic music itself has cheapened what used to be done with "real" instruments by "real" musicians. If we impose the same rules on DJs (ie. vinyl mixing is "real" vs. FS on a computer) how can we argue with them? |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by chrismack
I respect your opinion... but don't totally agree either.
I do agree that if an unskilled DJ uses technology to offer a set that they wouldn't normally be able to master without technology, then the tool they are using makes them appear better than they actually are.
If, on the other hand technology enables a great DJ to do even better stuff, then that technology is an enabler.
To put it in other terms, digital animation allows ty animators to make crappy movies quickly. It also allows skilled animators to do wonderful things. Software like quark allows any would-be designer to make a passable poster - it also enables an amazing designer to go so far beyond what a pad and markers would have allowed a designer to dream only 20 years ago.
We can't dismiss technology and say that the way we used to do things is beter and more "pure." in fact, there are a lot of people who argue that electronic music itself has cheapened what used to be done with "real" instruments by "real" musicians. If we impose the same rules on DJs (ie. vinyl mixing is "real" vs. FS on a computer) how can we argue with them? |
Good come back sir,
Actually the above rant wasn't aimed at you specifically although I did quote you on PvD.
I think my point is more that FS doesn't really give us anything that can't be done already. With that in mind I wouldn't call it progress. Sounds more like business to me. Re-invent the wheel and sell it back to us.
With regards to the electronic music music argument I would say that it's not quite the same. You still have to have music in you to use the technology. You get good electronic music equipment and bad. You also have your Fruity Loops and your E-Jays out there and the two are very different. One needs skill to operate and the other is designed to give ordinary mortals the chance to make something that sounds vaguely like music.
The only real arguement for it would be portability nothing else in my mind.
Don't worry I realise that I'm not in agreement with everbody on this one. It's just my chance to vent my frustration with it more than anything.
Cheers
Nem |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Nem, just to correct you a bit, Traktor FS (if thats what you were talking about) does not allow you to save cue points or the pitch settings (if it does I dont know about it :conf: ). In all honesty you still have to know how to find the right pitch and know how to beatmatch, its the same as vinyl in its handling. I agree though about M.I.K.E. using Traktor though, that just sounds cheap. Traktor (not Traktor FS) is a very un-skillfull way to DJ, it has the bpm counters, autosync, all that crap that takes the skill out of DJ'n.
Nem if you ever get the chance to try out FS sometime you will see that its not much diffrent from vinyl at all in its feel, I gurentee it! :) |
Traktor (not Traktor FS)... Oh my god you mean there's two of them!!!!?
Nou my friend,
I shall have to take you up on that one... but you know me and vinyl...
Cheers
Nem |
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| chrismack |
Nem:
If you hate Traktor Final Scratch, you will loath Traktor DJ Studio *grin*... it even takes the turntabilsm out of the equation (think manipulating everythign onscreen.)
And if that isn't enough of a sign of the apocalypse, Final Scratch has just introduced a version that works with CD decks!!
Jokes aside, I do feel that FS (and Traktor) may evolve into something. Not to belabour the design metaphor, but when Quark was invented some 15 years ago, design suddenly started to suck cuz everyone was trying to do exactly what they used to do - only now using a comaputer (with bad results and too many effects)... then people started viewing it as a different tool that had different abilities, and few now disagree that it actually improved the world of design...
Time will tell... and someday I may buy FS myself (once they fix the sound quality/hardware component.)
Cheers |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by chrismack
Nem:
If you hate Traktor Final Scratch, you will loath Traktor DJ Studio *grin*... it even takes the turntabilsm out of the equation (think manipulating everythign onscreen.) |
Nem starts rocking back and fourth and mumbles something about a happy place... |
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