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VSTi's and there quality(something you may not know) (pg. 2)
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| Limit |
| sorry forgot to think back and how i used to record...I was under the impression you guys where at least runnig some out board. |
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>> I get by just fine with my audiophile 24/96.
Of course you would. Audiophile is a true audio card with a flat response with true 24bit sampling.
>> Exactly, you aren't using your A/D converters at all when using softsynths except for previewing.
Regardless of either a mixdown going through your A/D or not, SBLive means previewing through a sound card that gives you an inaccurate picture of what your music sounds like. I was happy to use an SBLive until it got to the point of being the weakest link in my DAW. Sick of latency, sick of bouncing a mix and would have too much boom or not enough, just generally sick of the bugger :) |
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| Vert |
| quote: | Originally posted by Limit
sorry forgot to think back and how i used to record...I was under the impression you guys where at least runnig some out board. |
Even if we were running an out board, the soundcard would still have nothing to do with vsti quality.. It would however effect the quality of your hardware synth.
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| Etherium |
Limit, bud, I'm not trying to challenge you or anything but a lot of what you said is flat out misinformed.
For example, you said that the sample rate controls the sound quality and that 2496 is better than 16/44k. Ummm, sorry, but this just simply is not the case. The quality of the dac determines the quality of the sound. If you listen to the difference between an M-Audio DAC and an Apogee DAC at 16/44, the difference is night and day. The quality of the DAC is influenced mainly by the quality of the DACs filter as well as other factors.
Secondly, 24/96 may or may not sound inherently better than 16/44. The jury, and by jury I mean professional sound engineers, is still out on this and there have been studies that show that it's almost impossible to tell the difference in certain situations.
Thirdly, VSTIs use the CPU to process the sound and they have nothing to do with the DACs on your soundcard.
The purpose of this isn't to upstage you man, it's to make sure a lot of people on this forum don't get misinformed. Sorry if it seems rude, but I'm really just trying to help. : )
As far as sound quality, this is affected by such factors as :
1. The quality of the Vsti to begin with
2. The quality of the rendering engine of the sequencer
3. The quality of the internal processing of the effects (64 bit etc)
and maybe a few other things that I can't think of right now.
Here is what a good soundcard will get you:
1. Minimal latency or audio delay
2. Accurate monitoring
3. Accurate recording
Again, it's more about the QUALITY of the ADC and the DAC for numbers 2 and 3. If you have a quality DAC on your soundcard, then the 1s and 0s that are your sound will be translated more accurately into the analog realm (i.e. what you hear from your monitors) and vice-versa for recording.
Having said all this, I still use 24/96 when recording, just in case I suppose. |
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| FuzzyGreen |
That's why the cheapest way to go is to get a generic 1394 card and an outboard 1394 audio preamp/direct box(a/d converter).
You can get great quality using this method. |
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| auujay |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Also, don't use any higher bitrates then 44.1/16bit unless you have some really high end equipment, otherwise the downsampling will cause quality loss. The problem with the SB live is that it's internal 48k requires two steps, an upsample and a downsample to every input and output. |
I was under the impression that this was actually what you are supposed to do if you somehow modify the wave form (in the digital world). Of course if you are not changing the sound than there is not reason to up sample and then downsample with dither, that is just pointless. My understanding was that any digital signal that is processed should be up sampled (I guess not if you are working 24/96 the whole way through) then modified then downsampled again with dither. |
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| Limit |
ok you guys are lost...there is no way to help you i'm sorry. I will not argue anymore and not bother explaining how the sound stream works...anyway thanks for having a cool forum...i'll be around
Limit Out! |
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| Limit |
ok for the dude that I said 24/96 was better then 16/44 well read the post bud...i said it's all about teh D/A-A/D's bro and I didn't say 24/96 was better i said that this was an argued factor...please read teh posts carefully.
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| Limit |
| and for my last and final post in this thread...how about we just make some crazy beats and shut the F*ck up. Use the energy as creativity and positivity not negativity. |
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| Cryogenic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Limit
and for my last and final post in this thread...how about we just make some crazy beats and shut the F*ck up. Use the energy as creativity and positivity not negativity. |
lol...got owned and mad... |
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| /I\ |
| Dunno about 24/96, too much cpu and memory usage with that one, but 24/44 does me fine :p |
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| Vert |
| quote: | Originally posted by Limit
and for my last and final post in this thread...how about we just make some crazy beats and shut the F*ck up. Use the energy as creativity and positivity not negativity. |
You just signed up for this forum, and you come here and act like you are bestowing awesome new knowlege upon us, when you are really just a noob yourself spreading bull... "there is no way to help you i'm sorry" We didn't ask for your help. I think you need ours.. :rolleyes:
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