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Read this if you are thinking about suicide or know someone who is!
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| smokeape |
Gee, another suicide thread. Well, if you're gonna do it, think about everyone else and do it in a dumpster. That way we don't have to clean up your mess and can rent out your apartment again right away.
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| Lira |
Have you even read the link, you bloody twat?! He's giving support for people who might be thinking about killing themselves, and that's a very nice attitude of him.
Some people just can't be constructive... ever :rolleyes: |
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| smokeape |
Hit the dumpster, pal. I'll even loan you a couple rounds in case you miss the first time.
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| Arbiter |
| I'm in hardcore procrastination/denial mode, so I'm going to play the devil's advocate. |
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| djSlain |
excellent site mate.
as i was told, Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I never thought i'd get through depression and socialphobia, but here i am on top of the world helping those who were in my position.
i discovered a song today that was just absolutely deep and meaningful.
Blink 182 - Adam's Song
The song makes me happy for choosing to live and fight. But it also makes me said that people are also choosing to give it all up and die.
get out of this thread smokeape. |
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| CynepMeH |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
Hit the dumpster, pal. I'll even loan you a couple rounds in case you miss the first time.
:toothless
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aw, it:
ROFMLAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | “Suicide is not chosen; it happens
when pain exceeds
resources for coping with pain.”
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If I want to kill myself, you're not going to talk me out of it with meaningless platitudes, you better put together a logically coherent argument. This statement makes no sense, it undermines the fundamental basis of free will. If you can't choose to die, you can't choose to live. You could just as easily say "Going to the library is not chosen; it happens when demand for knowledge exceeds supply." Just what is that supposed to mean anyway? Trying to tell me I don't have a choice doesn't make me want to live, it makes life sound pointless.
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You can survive suicidal feelings if you do either of two things: (1) find a way to reduce your pain, or (2) find a way to increase your coping resources. Both are possible.
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Thanks for the information! But I'm suicidal, so I'm not particularly interested in how to survive. In fact, my objective would appear to be the opposite.
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1. You need to hear that people do get through this -- even people who feel as badly as you are feeling now. Statistically, there is a very good chance that you are going to live. I hope that this information gives you some sense of hope.
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Wow, thanks again for your glorious insight. Since I had been hiding under a rock in Siberia for my entire life, I had never heard that it was possible for suicidal people to end up not killing themselves. But why should this give me a sense of hope? Remember, my objective is to die, not to live.
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2. Give yourself some distance. Say to yourself, “I will wait 24 hours before I do anything.” Or a week. Remember that feelings and actions are two different things - just because you feel like killing yourself, doesn’t mean that you have to actually do it right this minute. Put some distance between your suicidal feelings and suicidal action. Even if it’s just 24 hours. You have already done it for 5 minutes, just by reading this page. You can do it for another 5 minutes by continuing to read this page. Keep going, and realize that while you still feel suicidal, you are not, at this moment, acting on it. That is very encouraging to me, and I hope it is to you. |
Stop stalling and get to the point.
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3. People often turn to suicide because they are seeking relief from pain. Remember that relief is a feeling. And you have to be alive to feel it. You will not feel the relief you so desperately seek, if you are dead.
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That's just blatantly false. Relief is not a feeling. Look it up in the dictionary:
re-lief (n.)
1. The easing of a burden or distress, such as pain, anxiety, or oppression.
Relief is not the feeling of the burden or distress being eased, it's the burden or distress being eased, itself. Ergo, if I kill myself, I will obtain relief. Will I be aware of it? Of course not. But that isn't the point. The point is to get rid of the burden or distress. And killing myself would achieve that objective.
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4. Some people will react badly to your suicidal feelings, either because they are frightened, or angry; they may actually increase your pain instead of helping you, despite their intentions, by saying or doing thoughtless things. You have to understand that their bad reactions are about their fears, not about you. |
If I were going to kill myself because of other people's retarded behavior, I'd be an idiot. And I'd rather be a corpse than an idiot. Try again.
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But there are people out there who can be with you in this horrible time, and will not judge you, or argue with you, or send you to a hospital, or try to talk you out of how badly you feel. They will simply care for you. Find one of them. Now. Use your 24 hours, or your week, and tell someone what’s going on with you. It is okay to ask for help. Try:
Send an anonymous e-mail to The Samaritans
Call 1-800-SUICIDE in the U.S.
Teenagers, call Covenant House NineLine, 1-800-999-9999
Look in the front of your phone book for a crisis line
Call a psychotherapist
Carefully choose a friend or a minister or rabbi, someone who is likely to listen
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You still don't get it, do you? I want to die. Not to have some conversation with some who's going to try to manipulate me into changing my mind.
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But don’t give yourself the additional burden of trying to deal with this alone. Just talking about how you got to where you are, releases an awful lot of the pressure, and it might be just the additional coping resource you need to regain your balance.
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Last time I checked I'm supposed to be contemplating suicide. I think that pretty much eliminates the possibility that I'm "trying to deal with this" in any capacity.
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5. Suicidal feelings are, in and of themselves, traumatic. After they subside, you need to continue caring for yourself. Therapy is a really good idea. So are the various self-help groups available both in your community and on the Internet.
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What's the point? So I can live a few more pointless decades, go live in a nursing home, and die of cancer? Why perpetuate undesirable human characteristics by prolonging my life when I don't even want to?
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It's a good thing I don't want to kill myself, because this site wouldn't have helped much. Nothing personal Kamikaze Badger, I just don't see how the site would be persuasive when it doesn't even really make any argument to support the hypothesis that life is superior to death. |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by djSlain
Blink 182 - Adam's Song
The song makes me happy for choosing to live and fight. But it also makes me said that people are also choosing to give it all up and die.
get out of this thread smokeape. |
Allright, I'm leaving so y'all can sing Kumbaya and hug each other.
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Davy van Eynde - Irawadi (Duderstadt Vocal) |
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| Prodigy Child |
| I think about suicide allot, infact I thought about suicide today, about 4 hours ago.....suicide wings that is woohoooooo |
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| djSlain |
Before there is the will to die, there is the CONSIDERATION to die. If you are going to die, ok, there is no way to help. youve made your plan and i'm sure there is a pretty good success rate.
these sites are meant to give a person hints on preventing that type of solution.
its just as a teacher would give hints on how to be successful on tests, a counselor give hints on family love or things of the sort. People always get confused and think of solutions which may not be for the best, and that is why people come up with these things to help u lean in a different direction.
you can choose to be dead, a horrible husband, a cheater or many other things, it's hard to stop someone with that kind of willpower. but we can give our opinions and support to people who we feel need a lil assistance. |
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| jinxed84 |
i guess ill be the first to say it.
suicide is for quitters. and nobody likes a quitter.
and yeah i know if youre dead you dont care, so dont even try that one.:whip: |
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