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denon dn-d4000 or pioneer cmx-3000
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| sash |
I'm undecided on a dual CD deck.. if you have any experience, opinions, feel free to share them here :D
DN-D4000
| quote: | • Worlds First Double CD/MP3 Player with ID3 Tag & CD TEXT Display
• MP3 playback, supports V.B.R. & C.B.R
• ID3 Tag support for MP3's; Artist, Album & Title (worlds first)
• .m3u Play list compatible (worlds first)
• Folder/File search
• CD TEXT Support
• Plays CD-R/RW media
• 2 Seamless loops per track or disc
• 2 Hot Starts & Stutter Cue points
• Brake Effect
• Relay Play, Program Play, Repeat Play, Power on Play
• 2-way Pitch Bend -by Jog Wheel & buttons
• Auto Cue to music
• Instant start
• 10 sec CD /100 sec MP3 Shock Proof Memory
• Jog/Shuttle Wheel (50mm)
• 1 min skip search in either direction
• Rotary track selector knob
• Illuminated action buttons w/ tactile feedback
• Illuminated drive trays
• Auto close disc tray system
• Sleep mode -prolongs the useful life of internal parts
• Fluorescent tube display (segment + dot matrix)
• 4 way time display -track or disc elapse/remain
• Pitch range ± 4%, 10%, 16%
• User adjustable presets
• Custom Memory -save up to 600 Loops and Cue's internally
• User adjustable presets
• Firmware upgradeable by CD-ROM disc and it's FREE!
• Digital Output (SPDIF)
• Fader Start
• 2RU controller and transport
• Black 8-pin 10 foot remote cable supplied
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CMX-3000
http://www.pioneerprodj.com/cm/products/mediafile/cmx3000_demo_hi.wmv
this is a nice (biased) video that shows all the cmx3000 functions
| quote: | • Wave Display
• Data Memory
• Scratch Mode
• Operation
• Emergency Loop
• Hot Cue & Loops
• BPM Sync
• Pitch Bend
• Slot Loading
• CD Text
• Master Tempo
• BPM Display
• Tempo Sliders
• Seamless Loop
• Autocue
• 15 Second Shock Proof
• Legato Link
• QUICK START (less than 0.01 sec)
• Super Fast Track Search / Super Fast Song Search
• Auto BPM Counter / Tap BPM Counter
• Time Mode (Remain / Elapse)
• Manual Cue / Auto Cue / Real-time Cue Back Cue / Cue Point Sampler
• Fader Start
• Relay Play
• Digital Outputs |
Any help is greatly appreciated! |
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| djxtension |
Well, make a list of things that you absolutely WANT on your cd-deck, things like cue, jog-wheel, loops, etc... and then pick the deck that offers those functions for the best price.
In quality, I don't think it matters what deck you buy. Both of them are great decks, so it just comes down to features vs. price I guess. |
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| sash |
| the pioneer has a larger jog wheel which i like.. i guess mp3 support is not too important. the thing is i can get both these players at the same price. and the from what i've read, the functions are very similar. |
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| Scottaculous |
| I own the CMX-3000 and what I like and really use a lot on it is the Wave table, .05% pitch increments, and hot cues. The CMX-3000 can remember previously saved cues as you load the CD. This allows for fast mixing or tricks. |
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| Freak |
ok
im in a perfect position to answer this, as the club i play at on fridays has the Denon and the club on saturdays has the pioneer.
-The mp3 support on the denon is e- you cant cue with them and they skip- not to mention they sound really bad anyway.
-The pioneer has MAJOR issues with any kind of dirt/fingerprints/scratches on the cds- the most minute crap on it and it tends to stop , not just skip it like others. Its more sensitive/tempremental with all types of cds than the denon
-Both of them save cue points- which is a pain when it gets confused between cds and decides to about with them by recueing or restarting
-The pioneer offers a scratching emulation which is ok ( as far as digital crap scratching goes)
-Track searching/skipping large chunks is faster with the denon.
-Pitch readout is accurate to 0.0X? on the pioneer/ 0.1 on the denon
-A big big big plus of the pioneer is the trayless loading
-The platter stop(brake) mode on the denon is e- it is good on the denon 1800f and the 2600, but on this model it sucks ass.
-Pioneers pitch functions are much much better- can adjust up to 100% pitch and seriously about with the sound. Pioneer has pitch key function too (keeps the same pitch even if you speed it up +16% or whatever). The denon does not- despite it being a function in previous models (2600f being one) (dumbasses)
-The pioneer also has a function where it will auto match the picth and bpm of the two cds- handy if you cant pitch properly or are just lazy.
Out of the two it is a close call, but i would use the pioneer- although over the both of them i would choose a denon 2600f hands down..
Both are professional standard decks- you wont go wrong with either, although the pioneer has far more features so i would be inclined to recommend it over the 4000
But like i said, check out the Denon 2600F instead of the 4000- its a much better comparison
Any more opinions/experiences/help dont hesitate to ask. |
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| sash |
| great, thanks for the mini review freak.. i'd probably get the pioneer according now. but how does the pioneer compare to the 2600f? apparently its a discontinued model, but it seems to have much of the same features |
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| Freak |
well ive used the 2600f for years with no problems at all..
Pioneer was only installed a less than 8 weeks ago, so cant comment on the reliability of it.... but it has ed up a few times...
If it doesnt like a part of a cd, it wont just play through it with a hiccup- it will stop dead- thats the main gripe i have with it. And these are cds i will play on the denon in one venue, then try them in the pioneer in the same week and they play with no problems on the denon.
Ive also had a few problems with it making up its own cue points on certain discs. All minor problems, but still present nonetheless
God knows why they discontinued the 2600- its far superior to the 4000.
If its 4000 vs CMX-3000, then the pioneer wins....
Otherwise have a looky at the 2600- find a decent used one and save some cash-- but the pioneer is a very very good and competent deck- you will be impressed with it and its newer features |
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| DeleriuM2K |
| quote: | Originally posted by Freak
well ive used the 2600f for years with no problems at all..
Pioneer was only installed a less than 8 weeks ago, so cant comment on the reliability of it.... but it has ed up a few times...
If it doesnt like a part of a cd, it wont just play through it with a hiccup- it will stop dead- thats the main gripe i have with it. And these are cds i will play on the denon in one venue, then try them in the pioneer in the same week and they play with no problems on the denon.
Ive also had a few problems with it making up its own cue points on certain discs. All minor problems, but still present nonetheless
God knows why they discontinued the 2600- its far superior to the 4000.
If its 4000 vs CMX-3000, then the pioneer wins....
Otherwise have a looky at the 2600- find a decent used one and save some cash-- but the pioneer is a very very good and competent deck- you will be impressed with it and its newer features |
I used to own a Denon DN-9000 (the most advanced dual disc CD player according to Denon). Loved the thing in every respect except for the 0.1% increments - a huge setback.
currently for CD use I have a pair of Pioneer CDJ800's |
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| djskylz |
I own the 2600f, and i really like it. Although some people say that the .1 pitch increment is ty, i don't have any problems with that. The 2600f has 3 different modes for pitch bending, and i don't have any probs with beatmatching. I never used the pioneer, so i can't compare those decks for you. But I only want to say that the pitching ain't a problem for me
Greetz, Maarten |
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| ScratchMaster |
I personally prefer the Pioneer.Like the jog wheel.
Also it takes a very long time to load a loop in the 4000.I think thats because of its mp3 compatibility...its really slow.I find it very annoying.If you have to make a short loop in the 4000 its very tough. |
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