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| hey cheggy |
Both my computer and I are both strong haters of Rewire and all the problems it has brought me.
Maybe it runs fine on other people's systems, but not on mine for some reason, at least not with reason. Everything goes all jumpy like I got no CPU power left. |
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| /I\ |
the one thing i hate about rewiring reason through cubase is: when you load a song in cubase you need to then switch over to reason and load up the applicable reason project. Sounds like a small task but when you do this 30 times a day it is well annoying.
I found myself bouncing samples from reason on to a cubase project. These days I just use vst instruments because all of your vst setting are saved with your project. The only reason I will go to reason now (hehe) is to create some drumloops then export them over to cubase or just use the sequencer within reason. |
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| Mossy |
My advice would be to try demos of everything your planning on buying Fruity in particular as it looks easy - which I think is particularly important for a newbie (like me), but Cubase SX is the badgers nadgers (imo). Reason is excellent especially so if you get the Reason tutorial CD which will talk you through the entire rack (well, the 2.0 rack anyway) and give you a finished, albeit cheesey, song at the end of it.
As far as softsynths go, demos demos demos! You wont have a clue what each can produce till you hear it - and sometimes hearing one new preset can create your entire basis for a track.
However, before you jump into production, take my advice and get something like Piano's for Dummies... it took me about 4 days to read from cover to cover and was well worth it in terms of laymans knowledge.
The other thing I would say is, if you can lend anything music wise off anyone, do it. Theres nothing worse than spending a shed load of wonga on a load of hard and software that 2 months down the line is collecting dust in the attic. |
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| Limit |
OK well if your gonna start off with SX then well thats what your gonna do. I can't say that it's bad idea or good one. It's just very complicated in the beginning, but hey your most likely to jump on to Cubase anyway. The only problem I see is that you won't get full use out of SX for a long while and for that matter there might be some big updates and then you will have to spend more cash. So i say it's good advice to start off slow with like Acid Pro or Fruity then work your way up. You have to keep in mind that there isn't just one pro audio program to turn too. It could turn out that you want to get into Logic or even ProTools. Just make your decision based on how you think you understanding and knowlege base of production is. If you feel you know nothing at all then you might get frustrated with cubase because your mostly trying to learn the program in stead of making beats, and that can turn you off from it all. So it might be better to go with the lower end product liek Acid or Fruity. Which in fact are great to learn on. I started on Acid and loved it then went to Cubase 5.0 to Nuendo to Cubase SX. Reason is also a cool tool to look into as a stand alone production suit. It has a lot of good tools.
On the case of what soft synths to by well if you decide to jump into Cubase right away then it has a little softsynth gem inside it that is overlooked by many. The synth is called "A1". It was made by Waldorf for steinberg and is one sweet synth. Another thing is that no matter the complexity or sound capabilities of synth(hard or soft) you have to learn the foreground of synthesis first if you want to get any type of results u want(or you can just grab some pre sets and go). Most soft synths that are talked about on this forum use subtractive synthesis or analog syntesis. I would suggest a good book to get is by Wizoo called "Analog synthesis" if I can remeber correctly. It helps a lot, but i don't think wizoo carries it anymore. Try ebay for that one.
Hope this helped ya.
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| Seric |
| Honestly before even putting ten cents into your future as a producer, I'd put 5 minutes into downloading Buzz and palying with that for a month. If it's not your bag, maybe Reason is for you, but by god, as bad as alot of people want to be producers, some people are cut out for certain things and others aren't, so be really honest with yourself, try downloading a free audio production program. Are you a musician of another instrument? Has music been a long time passion of yours? I just think that before you spend alot of money on things, you should be very sure that this is what you want to do. Softsynths don't have the high resale value that hardynths can have : ) |
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| Ibiza Dreams |
Wow, heavy info here! :) I don't have much experience with instruments at all, and from what I've read it seems that prior music instrument knowledge helps. But hey, if I let that stop me I'll regret it in the future. Right now I have the motivation and the amount of time in order to learn something extensively like this, so I wanted to take advantage of that.
I downloaded the Reason demo the other day and was loving it. Granted I was playing around with that default song but it was fun.
There have to be some good books out there that teach you basics about producing. Maybe that "Analog Synth" one? I'll definitely look into "Piano for Dummies" as well. I took 1 semester of Piano back in school! Buzz might be a good idea as well, since it's free it only makes sense to try it out.
Thanks for all the help guys. |
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| MrCowski |
| I also would reccomend buzz. The tracker-like interface isn't very good for learning what everything in a synth does (most default synths have little in the way of help or easy to use GUIs) but it's very good for percussion and laying out songs. A great way to get the feel of producing, then you could move up to FL or Reason or Cubase or whatever. |
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| Seric |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrCowski
I also would reccomend buzz. The tracker-like interface isn't very good for learning what everything in a synth does (most default synths have little in the way of help or easy to use GUIs) but it's very good for percussion and laying out songs. A great way to get the feel of producing, then you could move up to FL or Reason or Cubase or whatever. |
I disagree. I don't really condone the heavilty aesthetic approach. I feel like it's a pretty little jump around the point and with colors and knobs to turn at your liberty, learning the effects of parameters and osc. functions become blurred. I've seen Reasib kids who look at things I've written, like tutorials for them on how to programs sounds and they have no f+ing clue what's going on with out their trusty graphics interface. Now that was NOT meant to be a flame, it's just how I feel. To the guy who wants to lear.. If you're interested in music production, i'd again say that you should get buzz for atleast a month, and learn that way. I just feel that it's a more linear approach. Maybe i'm just stubborn because i learned how to program MIDI from the ground up in music class when i was 13. forgive my blatant musical dogmatism. and poor writing here, i just cranked this out before my girlfrien gets too bored of me humping TA all day |
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| Ibiza Dreams |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrCowski
I also would reccomend buzz. |
I'll definitely look at that first.
| quote: | Originally posted by Seric
I disagree. I don't really condone the heavily aesthetic approach... it's a more linear approach... |
I totally understand, it's best to learn from scratch so you learn everything and know the programs and music in and out... so what do you recommend to go about doing this? Practicing on Buzz because it's less aesthetic and more straight-up technical? Do you guys know of any reading material that can help for someone with very little or no instrument experience?
Thanks. |
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| Seric |
oh , what a dumbass, I quotes the wrong F+ing thread.wait.no i was just confused. I don't know. still confused. my point still stands though.
I don't know of much reading on buzz. there should be tutorials out there somewhere... Spinwarp.com is a dNb site from way abck in the day, like probably 96-97 if i remember properly and they used to ahve a buzz tutorial on there for tech step programming. Hey its a start. Although it's self explanitory. Buzz is modular, which means it consists of many individual units that hook into eachother like a guitar would hook through stomp boxes. You connect the generator to effects, and that to the master. You input your notation into th sequencer, and voila. The massive buzz pack on buzzmachines.com probably has some sort of "getting started" type of file. If you run into any problems, I could most likely answer anything about buzz, I'm indigenous :) to it. soo... PM me if you need help.. I could even probably work up some sort of demo files for you to reverse engineer. |
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| Pappa |
| quote: | Originally posted by /I\
the one thing i hate about rewiring reason through cubase is: when you load a song in cubase you need to then switch over to reason and load up the applicable reason project. Sounds like a small task but when you do this 30 times a day it is well annoying.
I found myself bouncing samples from reason on to a cubase project. These days I just use vst instruments because all of your vst setting are saved with your project. The only reason I will go to reason now (hehe) is to create some drumloops then export them over to cubase or just use the sequencer within reason. |
Hhehehe, I just started doing that, and man, it's alot better :) Better control over my volume and eqin :) |
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| /I\ |
I hate rewire ... why does reason not come with a VST adaptor for redrum and things ? I believe its some kind of marketing strategy TBH :crazy:
Hmm just been reading a review of Magix Music Maker Deluxe 2004. It is based on samplitude but the midi editor looks a bit like logic. Its got VST, rewire support and it only cost 50 UK pounds.
Looks like my eye os on Magix this year to see what they come away with next :) |
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