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| occrider |
God:
'God particle' may have been seen
By Paul Rincon
BBC News Online science staff
Once produced, the Higgs boson decays very quickly
A scientist says one of the most sought after particles in physics - the Higgs boson - may have been found, but the evidence is still relatively weak.
Peter Renton, of the University of Oxford, says the particle may have been detected by researchers at an atom-smashing facility in Switzerland.
The Higgs boson explains why all other particles have mass and is fundamental to a complete understanding of matter.
Dr Renton's assessment of the Higgs hunt is published in Nature magazine.
"There's certainly evidence for something, whether it's the Higgs boson is questionable," Dr Renton, a particle physicist at Oxford, told BBC News Online.
"It's compatible with the Higgs boson certainly, but only a direct observation would show that."
It's compatible with the Higgs boson certainly, but only a direct observation would show that
Dr Peter Renton, University of Oxford
If correct, Dr Renton's assessment would place the elusive particle's mass at about 115 gigaelectronvolts.
Unstable particle
This comes from a signal obtained at the large electron positron collider (LEP) in Geneva, Switzerland, which has now been dismantled to make way for its replacement - the large hadron collider (LHC).
However, there is a 9% probability that the signal could be background "noise".
Before the LEP accelerator was decommissioned, physicists used it to send particles called electrons and positrons careering in opposite directions around its circular pipe, which had a circumference of about 27km.
When these particles collided, they created bursts of high energy. Such collisions themselves are too small to study but new, heavier particles can appear amongst the debris.
The Higgs boson is thought to be highly unstable and, once produced, should quickly decay.
Dr Renton cites indirect evidence taken from observations of the behaviour of other particles in colliders that agrees with the figure of 115 gigaelectronvolts for the mass of the Higgs boson.
The LEP's huge ring was used to study the particles in our universe
"It's controversial. The data is possibly indicative, but it needs confirmation," said Bryan Webber, professor of theoretical physics at the University of Cambridge.
"Its mass is right at the maximum energy they could run the [LEP] at. But the indirect indications are that the Higgs boson should be close to that value."
Mass giver
Physicists have observed 16 particles that make up all matter under the Standard Model of fundamental particles and interactions.
But the sums do not quite add up for the Standard Model to be true if these particles are considered alone. If only 16 particles existed, they would have no mass - contradicting what we know to be true in nature.
Another particle has to give them this mass. Enter the Higgs boson, first proposed by University of Edinburgh physicist Peter Higgs and colleagues in the late 1960s.
Their theory was that all particles acquire their mass through interactions with an all-pervading field, called the Higgs field, which is carried by the Higgs boson.
The Higgs' importance to the Standard Model has led some to dub it the "God particle".
Dr Renton said he hoped that once the large hadron collider was up and running in 2007, the Higgs boson would be detected within a year or two.
The LHC is a more energetic accelerator which will allow a much higher mass range to be explored. It will also be capable of producing much more intense particle beams which means that data can be aggregated much faster.
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
God:
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I see Him!!!
Lol!
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| Heinz |
i love quantum physics.
but the matter of fact is, there is no such thing as mass. mass, if i understand is the space on takes up. mass is nothing but a physical theory. prove to me mass is real, and youve proven to me the periodic table.
did u know they just found element 113, and 115?? well, they didnt find it. they made it in a lab. and it lasted only a few milliseconds...so they werent able to examine its chemical properties. pity. just like all those other elements who atomic (mass) is in parenthesis. like element 110, 111, and 112. but in my own lab, ive found element 116-120, AND i was able to keep them stable!!!
#protons = 116, 117, 118, 119, 120
atomic number = 159.2349 ; 134.564 ; 94.694 ; 82.293 ;
682.4925 <
i still dont know what they will be called...
Heinzonium (Hz)
Tranconium (Tc)
Eurogen (Er)
Asside (As)
Arminium (An)
Now howa bout that. ill send it pronto to the Science magazine. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Heinz
but the matter of fact is, there is no such thing as mass. mass, if i understand is the space on takes up. mass is nothing but a physical theory. prove to me mass is real, and youve proven to me the periodic table. |
Put a sock in it, God boy. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Heinz
but in my own lab, ive found element 116-120, AND i was able to keep them stable!!!
#protons = 116, 117, 118, 119, 120
atomic number = 159.2349 ; 134.564 ; 94.694 ; 82.293 ;
682.4925 <
i still dont know what they will be called...
Heinzonium (Hz)
Tranconium (Tc)
Eurogen (Er)
Asside (As)
Arminium (An)
Now howa bout that. ill send it pronto to the Science magazine. |
Sigh ... you REALLY haven't taken any physics/chemistry classes have you? You need at least one class to even make proper jokes about it. Does someone want to explain to Heinz what the atomic number is? |
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| smokeape |
Here's a nice atomic number. Would look real nice over Pyongyang...
:D
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Fly Away - Magic Affair |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Sigh ... you REALLY haven't taken any physics/chemistry classes have you? You need at least one class to even make proper jokes about it. Does someone want to explain to Heinz what the atomic number is? |
Who needs chemistry? Who needs physics? Mass isn't real. Only God is. Pity those who refuse to skepticize about thousands of textbooks full of scientific data on particle/wave theory and nuclear chemistry, pity those who trusted in modern science and invented nuclear reactors and nuclear bombs, they're just too stupid to see the real truth, that the only thing we can truly be certain about is that which we lack even the most fundamental evidence for.
Seriously though, let's try to keep the "junk philosophy" out of this thread, it seems like a pretty cool discovery and I'd really like to hear what people think in scientific terms. Actually, I'd really like some clarification on exactly what this theory is all about, since this is the first I've heard about a "Higgs Field" - anybody know? |
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| PHALPAX |
| Wow...God is tiny :D. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
Here's a nice atomic number. Would look real nice over Pyongyang...
:D
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Fly Away - Magic Affair |
It would be more productive to detonate it in Washington |
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| nic01445 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
It would be more productive to detonate it in Washington |
...more like Israel/Palestine, am I right? |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by nic01445
...more like Israel/Palestine, am I right? |
Terrorists and zionists in one fell swoop?  |
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| nic01445 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Terrorists and zionists in one fell swoop? |
but where would we get our zionist mustard? no sandwich is complete without it. |
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