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"Eurotrash" is that our new name now? (pg. 3)
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
What the hell are u doing in our forum if u hate us and our music so much-----ehead. What is it with u Uneducated blacks always claiming ownership to all the music in history. It's like as if the world has to revolve around u, and ur not even that special.
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What a dumbass. The fact of the matter is that black avant-gardes and innovators deserve all of the credit for the way in which edm evolved and developed. So yes, they do have a right to claim a special ownership of all of the historic roots of popular music from jazz, rock to edm. |
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| DJ Cinos |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
What a dumbass. The fact of the matter is that black avant-gardes and innovators deserve all of the credit for the way in which edm evolved and developed. So yes, they do have a right to claim a special ownership of all of the historic roots of popular music from jazz, rock to edm. |
Yes - the roots. If I cook some water, and somebody else makes a delicious meal with it, do I deserve "special ownership"? |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Cinos
No. The ones who invented what would become techno were Kraftwerk, and THEY ARE NOT BLACK. |
He's definitely talking about Detroit techno, which is the primary root of contemporary edm. Kraftwerk's electro synthpop was a predecessor and a huge influence of the Belleville trio, but they did not "invent" techno in any way. |
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| stupidisco |
chicago -> black and gay black people -> paradise garage -> the warehouse -> people going to record shops asking where can i find that "warehouse music" -> record shop owners put warehouse music as "house music" for the label. -> traxx records was developed -> house is born.
the beginnings of house are disco tracks with a 4 to the floor kick. long breaks... alot of times the djs would loops 2 of the same records looping the breaks to create the 4x4 signature house sound. |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Cinos
Yes - the roots. If I cook some water, and somebody else makes a delicious meal with it, do I deserve "special ownership"? |
If you innovated the form and structure of a genre and laid the foundation you definitely deserve credit for its subsequent evolutions. There's no question about it. Art/music history is a much more complex process than boiling food. |
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| DJ Cinos |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
He's definitely talking about Detroit techno, which is the primary root of contemporary edm. Kraftwerk's electro synthpop was a predecessor and a huge influence of the Belleville trio, but they did not "invent" techno in any way. |
That's a matter of perspective. Without Kraftwerk there would be no techno, and you just told me how important the roots are. |
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| wwu.punisher |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
If you innovated the form and structure of a genre and laid the foundation you definitely deserve credit for its subsequent evolutions. There's no question about it. Art/music history is a much more complex process than boiling food. |
DJ Cinos just got pwned upside his head. :haha: |
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| DJ Cinos |
| quote: | Originally posted by wwu.punisher
DJ Cinos just got pwned upside his head. :haha: |
And in that same post he also pwned himself. Ironic, isn't it? |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Cinos
That's a matter of perspective. Without Kraftwerk there would be no techno, and you just told me how important the roots are. |
There was already disco, so maybe things would have developed differently without the synthpop influence (although some would say that pop wouldn't exist without the funk/jazz/soul black ethos anyway). Kraftwerk deserves a lot of credit, but not more than the Detroit and Chicago pioneers.
What's the point of trying to underscore black America's huge contribution to edm anyway? :rolleyes: |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Cinos
My IQ just dropped. |
What does that mean?
I'm sorry if I sound pissy but I can't stand ppl that say "u ing whiny emo trance bitches talk about other genres..."
It's just rude. I can't understand why there's this black against white thing--espec. when it comes to dance music, which is supposed to be a freedom of expression. Why should I be a victom of a black racist.
I don't get it, there are fantastic black ppl that listen to Euro an trance. I'd give up anything to hear a Carl Cox set. Why is it that there are blacks so intent on hating us cuz we don't listen to their music. I've watched and run into so many of them that are bullies.
Example: The TSE had a nice multicultural mix of ppl that were civil to each other. Then the banks took over the brokerage firms and they hired more blacks that did not have the proper attitude and education (they paid them e too). Now the TSE/brokerage industry is full of bully's who backstab each other. Bet u didn't know that Equifax Credit Bureau is 85% blacks--cuz they r good at threatening ppl on the phone (and they get paid e to do that too).
I'm so tired of this crap.
And most of us that subscribe to bpmtv don't have a prob with the black shows---just that the network is trying to ostracise our EDM out of the channel.:wtf:
Why can't they just learn to get along. |
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| DJ Cinos |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
There was already disco, so maybe things would have developed differently without the synthpop influence (although some would say that pop wouldn't exist without the funk/jazz/soul black ethos anyway). Kraftwerk deserves a lot of credit, but not more than the Detroit and Chicago pioneers. |
Not more, but equally much.
| quote: | | Originally posted by YaleTrance What's the point of trying to underscore black America's huge contribution to edm anyway? :rolleyes: |
There is no point, they DID make a huge contribution. I just think they shouldn't have all the credit.
This would be a good point of ending this discussion... |
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| stupidisco |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
What does that mean?
I'm sorry if I sound pissy but I can't stand ppl that say "u ing whiny emo trance bitches talk about other genres..."
It's just rude. I can't understand why there's this black against white thing--espec. when it comes to dance music, which is supposed to be a freedom of expression. Why should I be a victom of a black racist.
I don't get it, there are fantastic black ppl that listen to Euro an trance. I'd give up anything to hear a Carl Cox set. Why is it that there are blacks so intent on hating us cuz we don't listen to their music. I've watched and run into so many of them that are bullies.
Example: The TSE had a nice multicultural mix of ppl that were civil to each other. Then the banks took over the brokerage firms and they hired more blacks that did not have the proper attitude and education (they paid them e too). Now the TSE/brokerage industry is full of bully's who backstab each other. Bet u didn't know that Equifax Credit Bureau is 85% blacks--cuz they r good at threatening ppl on the phone (and they get paid e to do that too).
I'm so tired of this crap.
And most of us that subscribe to bpmtv don't have a prob with the black shows---just that the network is trying to ostracise our EDM out of the channel.:wtf:
Why can't they just learn to get along. |
i suggest learning how to write in a structured form so we can all at least understand what your point is.
what is your point!? |
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