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For FuzzyGreen and others prefering the "freedom" of the US (pg. 5)
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Socialized medicine IS NOT freedom. Actually it is exactly the opposite. You actually lack freedom in this area. I have access to the best healthcare in the world (thanks to Stanford medical center) because I *choose* to obtain a job that provides the best medical insurance. THAT IS FREEDOM. |
like i said before, we obviously have different views on freedom. everyone in europe has freedom, while many in US doesn't, that's the differnt. okay the best may be better than our best, but the average guy still has more freedom in europe.... |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
perfectly?
even i think it works alright, but if something written in the 18th century is still 'perfect' today there wouldnt be the need or possibility for amendments.
i really dont think anything, much less one specific type of government can be 'perfect' for every single human residing under that system| |
yeah this is something that is actually rather interesting... many americans see the consitution as some kind of bible. Everything that the constitutions says is right. much like arguing with nelly, "you need better gun control", "no the constitution says we can have guns". Yeah i don't know if that is a good example but you see my point :p |
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| FuzzyGreen |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
a bit more explanation would be in place for us who don't know every ing detail of the US consitution. and how can you in the same time have the right to say whatever you want, even hate things, as you cannot say this... just doesn't make any logic to me. |
Well I don't have time to go into the whole consitutional details here, but I can tell you that the US government class I took taught by a UC Berekeley proffesor is what gives me my insight, maybe you should study in the US for a year and find out for yourself how wrong you are. |
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| FuzzyGreen |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
perfectly?
even i think it works alright, but if something written in the 18th century is still 'perfect' today there wouldnt be the need or possibility for amendments.
i really dont think anything, much less one specific type of government can be 'perfect' for every single human residing under that system| |
Actually, yes, that is exactly what I'm saying and my university Poly-sci classes are the reasons I have this point of view. The very fact that it is a "living" document that can be ammended is written into it and further supports my point. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Well I don't have time to go into the whole consitutional details here, but I can tell you that the US government class I took taught by a UC Berekeley proffesor is what gives me my insight, maybe you should study in the US for a year and find out for yourself how wrong you are. |
please just simply explain how it can perfectly cover up what DrUg_Tit0 said... |
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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Actually, yes, that is exactly what I'm saying and my university Poly-sci classes are the reasons I have this point of view. The very fact that it is a "living" document that can be ammended is written into it and further supports my point. |
well perhaps you should say that as *evidence* rather than calling non-Americans stupid and wrong.
that being said i still dont think its 'perfect' the world over. you have to subscribe to its ideals to some degree.
that is why it is obviously failing in Iraq and would likely never work in most of Asia - "authoritarian" countries according to the US, "organized" countries according to Asians (Malays, for example) |
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| mps242 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Well I don't have time to go into the whole consitutional details here, but I can tell you that the US government class I took taught by a UC Berekeley proffesor is what gives me my insight, maybe you should study in the US for a year and find out for yourself how wrong you are. |
Jesus, if you go to school at Berkeley I fear for our country's future. Honestly, how the hell did someone who can't spell "professor" or "Berkeley" get into such a prestigious institution?!?!?!?!
Sheesh...
Oh and BTW, the US system, while the best in terms of protecting individual rights is perhaps the worst western democratic system in terms of political diversity (Canada's might be on par with ours). I highly suggest you study parliamentary systems and their ability to include and support more than just two parties who are basically saying the same stuff. |
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| FuzzyGreen |
Awe heck whatever, if you're going to judge me by my spelling mistakes then it. I have nothing to prove here.
I've taken college courses in US History, world history, and Poly-sci. I'm not an english major and never will be, but I do know quite a lot about the American system of government and that it's not as ty as everyone makes it out to be. |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Awe heck whatever, if you're going to judge me by my spelling mistakes then it. I have nothing to prove here.
I've taken college courses in US History, world history, and Poly-sci. I'm not an english major and never will be, but I do know quite a lot about the American system of government and that it's not as ty as everyone makes it out to be. |
Its not that the system of governance is ty but the people who operate above its framework to fulfill their political agendas that suit the already well off are the ty ones. It can undoubtedly be argued that the likes of Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and G.W. Bush himself cannot be trusted to give the everyday working American a fair shake over the interests of the big businesses that dominate American policy today. Case and point, remember this quote "the outsourcing of American jobs is good for the U.S. economy." How terrific that made me feel as an American that our current administration can tell Americans that any movement of jobs to a foreign nation is good for America, thus we should just get over it. Haliburton Corp is just another example, Boeing and its numerous links to the Defence Industry and politicians oh so intertwined to ensure its contract deals.
I could go on and on about our terrific system of governance but sadly the people entrusted with the power to govern care more about ensuring that the campaign contributors are well taken care of than working Joe Stiff. Does that mean that there is some grand conspiracy to usurp the average citizen, No, but we know where priorities often lie with decisions related to government and corporate interests. After all what's good for corporate America must be good for all Americans, like the outsourcing of jobs:conf::rolleyes: |
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| WhoaNellie1487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
What the hell?
This is getting highly aggravating. For once, just once, back up what you say. I've never seen you actually articulate your position properly, or back up what you say with a logical argument and/or sources and examples. You just announce that something is the case, usually with a "trust me" added on, then apparently think that you've made a good point. FFS, if it isn't, cite examples. |
It doesn't take much to know that America is more free than Europe.
But, if you want "sources"
The declaration of independence,the constitution.... That's what makes America more free
Also, the fact that the Eastern European countries just released from Communism. All support is much more than the old European Nations. |
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| 3xx3r7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Socialized medicine IS NOT freedom. Actually it is exactly the opposite. You actually lack freedom in this area. I have access to the best healthcare in the world (thanks to Stanford medical center) because I *choose* to obtain a job that provides the best medical insurance. THAT IS FREEDOM. |
Apparently you haven't been to other countries. I think that medical system in US is pure abomination. Yes it has the best technology, but have you been at doctor's office lately. It takes you five hours before you get out of there for having just a regular check-up. Please, and I implore you, please, don't tell what is the lack of freedom is? Especially in this area. You are not the one to decide, cause you haven't lived in the country with socialized medicine.
I lived in Ukraine before I came to US. You know what. American medical system sucks plain ass. period. If I come to office in Ukraine I would be served as soon as possible with the same, if not better quality.
Man, you really should travel more, instead of sitting on this large island. And yeah, listen to other world news sources as well, instead of CNN, MSNBC, or *insert your biased news source here*. |
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| mps242 |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
Case and point, remember this quote "the outsourcing of American jobs is good for the U.S. economy." How terrific that made me feel as an American that our current administration can tell Americans that any movement of jobs to a foreign nation is good for America, thus we should just get over it. |
Yeah except Bush is correct on this one. |
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