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| MisterOpus1 |
Argghh, I had a meeting and Drug_Tito stole some thunder. But I'll give a little more info.....
Before I start, Electronicmaji, I must say that judging by a number of your posts in the past in the COR, you have a propensity of talking out of your ass, to put it mildly. I tend to find that this particular subject you bring to us here in the Political Forum is no different, though I would be quite relieved to be proven wrong.
That may not be the most polite way to start things off, but I sincerely had to get that off my chest. Now, as much as I can make out of your points, let's address them one at a time:
| quote: | Originally posted by Electronicmaji
Id prefer if you dont curse during this debate please...but I knew the minute I posted that you would probably dissaprove my source I have plenty of others I can use if needed. |
I'm unaware and not too terribly concerned with what you posted earlier, so perhaps you can post your source here with your specific questions and/or assertions I can address them accordingly.
| quote: | | well show me the proof that %99 of biologists being evolutionists and I contest to the fact it does make sense just not from a evolutional stand point. |
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm
"According to Newsweek in 1987, "By one count there are some 700 scientists with respectable academic credentials (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) who give credence to creation-science..." That would make the support for creation science among those branches of science who deal with the earth and its life forms at about 0.14%"
So to be precise, it's about 99.86% of scientists. Granted, this is a little dated, so I think it may be appropriate to perhaps shift those numbers a little more. And I'll even be nice and shift those numbers towards the Creationists (though I haven't seen any evidence to do so, I'll play nice), and give the Creo side an extra 50. I believe we're still over 99%, however.
Now the public opinion is not congruent to scientific opinion. In fact, public opinion gives more of a balanced view between the two. However, since we are referring to a scientific phenomenon, and not a public phenomenon, I tend to give more weight towards the opinion of scientists.
| quote: | | And for the part about creationism not having a hyphothesis ..it does several...YEC..OEC..many more... |
Oh sure, anyone can create a hypothesis. That part of the equation is not difficult at all. Here's an example:
"I hypothesize that you are talking out of your ass."
The hard part, however, is making observations and having evidence to either support or refute such hypothesis. I'm sure we'll see where it goes for my personal hypothesis, but as for the Creationist hypothesis', this is where their given well runs dry. They have yet to show any credible, positive, observed, tested, retested, and falsified hypothesis. Fortunately for evolutionists and other scientists for that matter, they have met the above criterion for their given hypothesis, which gives their version of the story a great deal more weight.
Furthermore, it would be helpful to even have a working hypothesis to begin with. Specifically, one that has been created from previously supported observation, evidence, and other studies. This is, in essence, how scientists perform the bulk of their work - the vast majority of it is based upon previous research.
Once again, Creationists are quite absent in this particular instance.
| quote: | | Again facts are all about interpretation and misinterpretation either way such facts as carbon dating have been dissaproved..do you know that carbon dating only works to about 6000 years ago and any difference in radiation caused by magnetic changes eathqaukes, natural disasters etc... change the timing? |
I believe Drug_Tito touched on this quite nicely. I am curious as to what your interpretation is on Carbon 14 dating. Perhaps if you can clarify your position a little better with a little better understanding, we can go from there.
| quote: | | what is not science is evolution...for something to be science it has to be able to be observed and we have never observed something evolve... |
As Drug_Tito explained, we have observed evolution quite easily, even on a small time scale of a few decades. Actually, we can observe evolution in a smaller timescale than that - ever heard of antibiotic-resistant bacteria?
| quote: | | we have observed things being created thought.... |
Umm, not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying we have observed "thought"? What does that have to do with anything? Please clarify this statement.
| quote: | | ok Ill back up some of this with sources as you asked later but right now im kind of busy so that all I could write up for now...eagerly waiting your response.. |
I eagerly await your response with sources. But I would especially appreciate you specifically addressing what we've discussed so far before you bring up anything further. Just a thought on debate courtesy, so we can have nice flow of discussion here. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
Ugh, coherence -1. Sorry for the ad hominems :p - but this twit has been spamming and derailing threads in chillout all day. :whip: Now, where on earth are occ & MisterOpus? |
I dunno ... it's too easy :p. I mean, he doesn't even understand the principles behind carbon dating. Maybe when his knowledgable "friends" come along to "kick it up a notch" I'll gleefully join the frey :).
The problem is, is that there are too many smart evolutionists, and not enough silly fundies to go around :( |
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| St_Andrew |
| /me grabs some popcorn and waits for nelly, Electronicmaji and hopefully some other fundies |
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| occrider |
From the other thread:
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sorry there is evidence for creationism but considering the close mindedness of your last post I really dont think posting the evidence will change your mind so I leave you and your ignorance alone in this thread
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Hmmm where have I heard this before? Debate 101 must be a mandatory class at Patriot U. |
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| arctic |
MisterOpus - about time you got here. I could have used your help earlier on in chillout. :p
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
I dunno ... it's too easy :p. I mean, he doesn't even understand the principles behind carbon dating. Maybe when his knowledgable "friends" come along to "kick it up a notch" I'll gleefully join the frey :).
The problem is, is that there are too many smart evolutionists, and not enough silly fundies to go around :( |
Aye - finding fundies is always hard. I thought i had cracked the jackpot at http://www.rr-bb.com/ - but sadly they ban atheists as soon as they say anything remotely negative about creationism, Israel, southern Baptists or the religious right. :(
Christianforums.com has it's fair share of them as well, but they get utterly decimated by the band of atheists, agnostics, Buddhists and deists, the work is always done by the time I get there. Where can one find a good fundie store these days?
DrUg_Tit0 should be pleased that I gave him a fundie for his birthday - they're hard to come by!
St_Andrew - don't despair, Heinz might drop in for a visit. Unfortunately Meelch (sp) has refrained from posting in the religious threads under his new username - maybe he dislikes getting banned. Meh, we need more fundies. |
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| butterfly |
| lmao @ this thread. you guys could eat fundies for breakfast. i should come in the politics forum more often... |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
MisterOpus - about time you got here. I could have used your help earlier on in chillout. :p |
Cripes, man, you think I'd be able to find this subject in the thread about Janet Jackson's boob? Talk about finding a needle in the haystack!
Besides, I just can't read all the COR threads anymore. I dunno, maybe I'm gettin' too old or somethin', but the majority of the COR threads aren't quite my cup of tea anymore. Nothing against the regulars there, mind you. But I just don't post much rambling there anymore.
Oh well. Here I be. |
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| Electronicmaji |
| sight I made this thread for a serious intelligent one on one debate with mr. artic now that you have seemed to not understand and therefore others have debated me in this thread.....I invite mr. artic to join these forums www.theologyweb.com and make a one on one challenge to me...if you are afraid of loosing to me I understand ;) |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Cripes, man, you think I'd be able to find this subject in the thread about Janet Jackson's boob? Talk about finding a needle in the haystack!
Besides, I just can't read all the COR threads anymore. I dunno, maybe I'm gettin' too old or somethin', but the majority of the COR threads aren't quite my cup of tea anymore. Nothing against the regulars there, mind you. But I just don't post much rambling there anymore.
Oh well. Here I be. |
Yes .... [pats polit forum] ... home sweet home. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Electronicmaji
sight I made this thread for a serious intelligent one on one debate with mr. artic now that you have seemed to not understand and therefore others have debated me in this thread.....I invite mr. artic to join these forums www.theologyweb.com and make a one on one challenge to me...if you are afraid of loosing to me I understand ;) |
Why don't you simply respond to the arguments he raised here?
Edit: Specially since when I tried to access that forum my computer slowed down exponentially and internet explorer crashed. |
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| FuzzyGreen |
| Why is it not possible that creation created evolution? |
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