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| Tranceporter99 |
Ok so i understand Beatmatching for the most part, and while i cnat do it because i cant figure out how to get the BPm, i decided to read a guide to learn more and one of them said this
| quote: | | Make sure that you set the gain when the record is playing the body or at least an equally loud part. If you would perform this while the intro is playing you could end up with a record peaking between +3 dB and +6 dB when it is playing the normally louder body |
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| auujay |
The fact that a track is usually louder in the middle (body) than it is in the begining (intro) or end (outro).
Because when you bring the new track in, you want the approximatly volume to be the same (nothing kills the energy of a mix like having the new song be too quiet). So before you push off right before you are going to be mixing, stick the needle in the middle of the track and set the gains for that channel so it is peaking where the live track is peaking. Now keep the volume the same and put the needle back at your cue point. If you listen you may think that the new track is too quiet at first but don't worry, by the time all the elements are added it should be the same level as the old track was.
See what I am saying?
EDIT: The volume changes depends on the track. Some vary more than others. If you can record a record so you can see the waveform, that might help you visualize it. |
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| Tranceporter99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by auujay
The fact that a track is usually louder in the middle (body) than it is in the begining (intro) or end (outro).
Because when you bring the new track in, you want the approximatly volume to be the same (nothing kills the energy of a mix like having the new song be too quiet). So before you push off right before you are going to be mixing, stick the needle in the middle of the track and set the gains for that channel so it is peaking where the live track is peaking. Now keep the volume the same and put the needle back at your cue point. If you listen you may think that the new track is too quiet at first but don't worry, by the time all the elements are added it should be the same level as the old track was.
See what I am saying?
EDIT: The volume changes depends on the track. Some vary more than others. If you can record a record so you can see the waveform, that might help you visualize it. |
yeah i understand, but i dont know how to work the gains, i have three of them and im completley lost when it coems to EQs and Gains |
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| auujay |
The gain is simply the volume of that channel. So say you have the upfader all the way up, we might say the track is playing at 100% volume. Now because different records are recorded at different volumes you use the gain to adjust the volume so it is at an appropriate level.
What kind of mixer do you have? Maybe I can be more specific if I know what you are looking at and what you are confused by. |
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| auujay |
| Ok so basically the mixer is laid out so that each channel (say, TT A and TT B) each has an upfader, bass eq, mid eq, treble eq, gain, and maybe a balance. The upfader simply a volume control. The EQs either cut or boost a certain frequency range. The gain is also a volume control. The gain is different from the upfader in that the fader is really a relative volume control while the gain is absolute. What I mean by this is that with the fader halfway up you are getting 50% of the volume dictated by the gain. The balance simply controls the left/right seperation of that channel. |
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| SUNWmsf |
When testing the volume of your cue(incoming) track in your headphones, adjust the gain on your cue track so the the channel LED's for both channels are lighting up to be at the same level as the track that is playing out of your speaker. You will be adjusting the gain on your cue track to match the LED volume of your track that is playing already on your output.
IF you match up the LEDS for your cue track to your track that is playing out on your master out speaker prior to pulling off your mix, when you finally do perform your mix or crossfade over to your incoming track, your mix will not have a volume level drop out.
fuk.. i wonder if that makes any sense... |
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| SUNWmsf |
you should do the LED match up + using your gain level adjustment when you have your EQ's at the level you will finally get them at once your mix is complete.
Example:
The current playing track has the EQ at this:
HIGH EQ = 3
MID EQ =3
LOW EQ = 3
When cueing your incoming track, place your EQ at about the same levels so that they are :
HIGH EQ = 3
MID EQ =3
LOW EQ = 3
Then place your needle on the vinyl of you cue track somewhere where you know the song will be around its peak or where the song is at its normal playing level and then adjust your gains so that your channel LEDS are matching up.
Beatmatch that cue track and lower your LOW EQ to about 0.
The cue track CHannel LED lights will lower because you have lowered your LOW end EQ, but while your are doing your mix, you will be raising the LOW END EQ slowly back to 3 so that when your mix is finally pulled off, the cue'd channel LED will be at the level as you had set and tested them so that you will not lose any volume after the cue (incoming) track is being heard on your speaker.
while you are raising your LOW end EQ on your incoming track, you probably should be loweing the LOW END EQ on your outgoing track.
fuk.. hope that helps. |
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| Tranceporter99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by auujay
The gain is simply the volume of that channel. So say you have the upfader all the way up, we might say the track is playing at 100% volume. Now because different records are recorded at different volumes you use the gain to adjust the volume so it is at an appropriate level.
What kind of mixer do you have? Maybe I can be more specific if I know what you are looking at and what you are confused by. |
I have a Gemini PS-676 mixer[it was free] but its starting to piss em off because it doesnt have a headphone control. |
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| WhiteBlade |
| If I look at the mixer the Cue level whould be your headphone ajustement no ??? |
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| Jozef |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranceporter99
I have a Gemini PS-676 mixer[it was free] but its starting to piss em off because it doesnt have a headphone control. |
They gains are the top knobs above the level slider for that channel. In the picture I looked at, they were red. |
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| Koolaid |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhiteBlade
If I look at the mixer the Cue level whould be your headphone ajustement no ??? |
Correct.
Just to add some confusion.... on some mixers gain control is called Trim.
Some mixers have the Trim / Gain control on the back. These are usually little black plastic screws. |
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| Dj Flesch |
| quote: | Originally posted by Koolaid
Correct.
Just to add some confusion.... on some mixers gain control is called Trim.
Some mixers have the Trim / Gain control on the back. These are usually little black plastic screws. |
Don't confuse gain level with attenuation level. Gain level is relative to the inputs on your mixer (ie your music volume levels that it gets). You set the gain levels on your music so that you can keep the volumes of the two tracks equal relative to eachother, while not overloading (or underloading) them when you send them to your output.
The little set-screw on the back of your mixer has nothing to do with the gain structure of the music you are inputting into your mixer. The set-screw is called the attenuation screw and will affect how loud the signal is outputed from your mixer to the amp/receiver.
Think of it like this. You use the gain/trim knobs to set the volumes of the tracks equal to eachother so that they are at or near 100% (0 dB). You use the attenuation set-screw to set the output level of your mixer to something that the amp can handle. Attenuation is part of overall gain structure, but once it is set, it remains set for pretty much the live of that system. The gain knob for any given channel will be changed for every new track that you play on that channel. |
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