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Watch 60 Minutes on CBS tonight for revelations about Iraq war! (pg. 2)
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| Boomer187 |
Yeah I started watching tv at like 6 to make sure I didn't miss it and saw it at 7.
great report, I liked it and I may buy the book, which this is an obvious effort to promote.
I for one don't belieev we have the power to say how others run their country just because we have a super military and tons of resources.
but then again, I am not instructed from anything from above or below, just my humble guess. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
Like Mike Wallace is someone we should respect or something. |
Yeah he's a real fly by night sensational journalist. :rolleyes: He's also famous for his soft interview style. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| DaveSZ |
I think Bush also possibly subscribes to the belief shared by many Fundamentalists that the "end times," as described in the Book of Revelation, are near.
This might also explain his abandonment of a balanced approach to the Israeli/Palestinian situation in favor of a greater expansion of Israeli territory in the West Bank.
The Fundamentalists believe that Israel must be fully intact for the second coming of Jesus. Then only a handful of people will be saved and the rest of us die in fire.
Anyways, I read the Book of Revelation the other day, and it seems to me almost like the author wrote it after eating some hallucinogenic fungus. There’s also little mention of Israel, so it makes me wonder if they simply fabricated this stuff.
If I'm indeed correct, and he's basing his foreign policy on the wishes of the Fundies, then we're in deeper than I thought.
Pat Robertson seems to want war with North Korea next to “free” the people there, and I don’t think China is simply going to sit back and let us invade (to speak nothing of NK itself). North Korea might already have nuclear weapons as well, and Kim Jong Il is a freaking nut who would be willing to use them. |
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| Boomer187 |
forget all this. I am moving to south america....they are never in the news.
unless all this drama will follow down there. |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSZ
The little kids are throwing rocks and shooting at our US soldiers in IRaq now. Trust me on that one since I get regular emails from my cousin. Anyways, if another country had invaded the US unprovoked the people would also rise up in resistance don't you think?
It's just a mess. |
Throwing RPGs is more like it. And no, there are no similarities here, since we've never tolerated a dictatorship in America which deprived us of all freedoms. Want a similarity with Iraq? Pick North Korea.
I'm sure the people would hate us liberating them as well.
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| DaveSZ |
Yep it seems my little theory wasn't too far off, and this is very troubling:
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominio...ngOfAmerica.htm
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Most Americans have been aware that religious right Republicans have become extremely active politically in the last twenty years. But because we're Americans and we're mostly tolerant of other people's religious beliefs, their rise to power hasn't really troubled us. We should be troubled. There is now overwhelming evidence that conservative Christians set out to overthrow the government of the United States, dispense with our democracy, and institute in its place, a government ruled by Old Testament laws--including an expanded litany of death penalies. This article is not a conspiracy theory. It contains the legal elements required for the prosecution of any criminal or civil conspiracy in our nation. The proof is in this article
The First Prince of the Theocratic States of America
It happened quietly, with barely a mention in the media. Only the Washington Post dutifully reported it.[1] And only Kevin Phillips saw its significance in his new book, American Dynasty.[2] On December 24, 2001, Pat Robertson resigned his position as President of the Christian Coalition.
Behind the scenes religious conservatives were abuzz with excitement. They believed Robertson had stepped down to allow the ascendance of the President of the United States of America to take his rightful place as the head of the true American Holy Christian Church.
Robertson’s act was symbolic, but it carried a secret and solemn revelation to the faithful. It was the signal that the Bush administration was a government under God that was led by an anointed President who would be the first regent in a dynasty of regents awaiting the return of Jesus to earth. The President would now be the minister through whom God would execute His will in the nation. George W. Bush accepted his scepter and his sword with humility, grace and a sense of exultation.
As Antonin Scalia, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court explained a few months later, the Bible teaches and Christians believe “… that government …derives its moral authority from God. Government is the ‘minister of God’ with powers to ‘revenge,’ to ‘execute wrath,’ including even wrath by the sword…”[3]
George W. Bush began to wield the sword of God’s revenge with relish from the beginning of his administration, but most of us missed the sword play. I have taken the liberty to paraphrase an illustration from Leo Strauss, the father of the neo-conservative movement, which gives us a clue of how the hiding is done:
“One ought not to say to those whom one wants to kill, ‘Give me your votes, because your votes will enable me to kill you and I want to kill you,’ but merely, ‘Give me your votes,’ for once you have the power of the votes in your hand, you can satisfy your desire.”[4]
Notwithstanding the advice, the President’s foreign policy revealed a flair for saber rattling. He warned the world that “nations are either with us or they’re against us!” His speeches, often containing allusions to biblical passages, were spoken with the certainty of a man who holds the authority of God’s wrath on earth, for he not only challenged the evil nations of the world, singling out Iraq, Syria, Iran, and North Korea as the “axis of evil,” but he wielded the sword of punishment and the sword of revenge against his own people: the American poor and the middle class who according to the religious right have earned God’s wrath by their licentiousness and undisciplined lives.
To the middle class he said, “I’m going to give you clear skies clean air and clean water,” then he gutted the environmental controls that were designed to provide clean air and water. The estimated number of premature deaths that will result: 100,000.[5] He said to the poor and to the middle class: “I’m going to give you a prescription drug program, one that you truly deserve.” Then he gave the drug industry an estimated $139 billion dollars in increased profits from the Medicare funds and arranged for the poorest of seniors to be eliminated from coverage, while most elderly will pay more for drugs than they paid before his drug benefit bill passed.[6] After that he arranged for the dismantling of the Medicare program entirely, based on the method outlined by his religious mentors.[7] He said to the people of America, “I’m going to build a future for you and your children,” then he gutted their future with tax breaks to the rich and a pre-emptive war against Iraq, and the largest spending deficit in history.[8]
This article is the documented story of how a political religious movement called Dominionism gained control of the Republican Party, then took over Congress, then took over the White House, and now is sealing the conversion of America to a theocracy by taking over the American Judiciary. It’s the story of why and how “the wrath of God Almighty” will be unleashed against the middle class, against the poor, and against the elderly and sick of this nation by George W. Bush and his army of Republican Dominionist “rulers.”
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On The Trail of the Bush Campaign /written by Brian Swanson
http://www.endtimesnetwork.com/Swan...nson031404.html
Pat Robertson has resigned from his place as head of the so -called, "Christian Coalition" and George Bush has been given this honorary position. I was correct in my assumptions about Bush's beliefs in the "end times" as told in Revelation.
35 million individuals out of some 6 billion are now dictating whether or not WW3 begins. Their representative is now the most powerful man in the world.
The implications for the world if they succeed in their goal of establishing a theocratic state with the might of the US military to back up their whims are probably beyond imagination, and the US Supreme Court is really the only thing keeping that from happening at the moment.
They are outnumbered however, and the only way that will happen is if we stand by and let them. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | | Like Mike Wallace is someone we should respect or something. He's an old bag of that needs to retire instead of trying to sensationalize something that isn't. But in fact, Bush should work to liberate people all over the world beacause, after all, America is the only policeman left in the world to do it. The UN is a house of cards which needs to be moved to Paris, France. Sadly, you my friend, need to wake up and realize that we should stomp out brutal dictatorships and regimes across the globe and make the world a better place. Flying planes into highrises and bombing commuter trains just don't cut it anymore. |
Lets start with the second line, America is the only policeman left in the world to do it? No, you see, you cant self-appoint yourself a position that doesn't exsist, and enforce laws and rules on other countries and people that do not want it, thats called oppression. If you think for one second Iraqi people actually want America there to govern them, your making a horrible mistake. You see, they dont like the western philosophy of greed and oil-mongering texans in the disguise of "liberators" (I cant imagine why). They don't seem to trust you (I can't imagine why), maybe because of all the previous crap you have pulled and nonsense you have done there?
You see the job of removing dictators is all fine and dandy, but if were gonna do that, shouldnt we atleast take out those more a threat to yourself, like N.Korea. As opposed to those who didnt pose a threat at all, like say Iraq. Sure Saddam was an evil guy, and im actually glad hes gone, just like when every other dictator will be gone, but why him?
well Rod, he killed thousands of his own people!
-Ah, very true, but that was more than a decade ago, and didnt america supply him the weapons to kill those people?
Well we didnt intend on him to do that!
-Ofcourse not, you intended him to be a happy arab, who rules with a brutal regime but goes along to the will of the american people, just like your good friends and allies, the SAUDI's!
Well they supply our oil, and we cant backstab them, plus Prince Bandaur is best friends with our president, they like us there.
-Bull, no one likes america's foreign policy, bout the only thing anyone likes from america is prolly Britney Spears. Maybe she should be a foreign advisor.
Anyhow enough of that rambling, I don't know why your talking about flying planes into high rises, and blowing up comuter trains. Iraq had nothing, I will repeat...Nothing to do with any terrorist attacks, nothing! Why do people insist on grouping Iraq with 9/11, or saying well, terrorist live there man. Sure they do...they live in Iraq or something buddy. This is more bull fed to you on a silver platter. Old retired terrorist in hiding do not qualify as Al-Qaeda.
I understand Afghanistan, but I just dont understand Iraq anymore, there were so many justifications and bull stories to cover up one on top of the other, you cannot honestly just keep adding them up and think ill just eat it and enjoy it. Keep your lies, and eat them well with a nice side of super-size fries and a coke to drink. |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSZ
Yep it seems my little theory wasn't too far off, and this is very troubling:
Pat Robertson has resigned from his place as head of the so -called, "Christian Coalition" and George Bush has been given this honorary position. I was correct in my assumptions about Bush's beliefs in the "end times" as told in Revelation. That's probably why he believes we'll all be dead soon – he believes we are in the “end times.”
35 million individuals out of some 8 billion are now dictating whether or not WW3 begins. Their representative is now the most powerful man in the world.
They are very outnumbered however, and the only way that will happen is if we stand by and let them. |
Gotta admit you're persistent if not very smart. Our country numbers over 250 million at least and represents the most powerful military force on the face of the earth. Not too shabby then in a world population of 5 billion, but that's not the point. If it would take WW3 to give 2-3 billion a better life than they have now in absolute poverty and ruin under repressive governments, then maybe we should start. I don't equate Pat Robertson's persuasion with any president, nor even equal to old Allatollah Khomenhi or Osama Bin Ladin in popularity or stature so it's ludricrous to even mention him. Bush and America can make a difference in the world. We shouldn't deal with countries that repress their own populace and embrace them as trading partners or countries in good stead on a global forum. Yes, we did the same with Iran and Iraq before, but that doesn't mean we have to do it again. Bullsh*t countries need to be put on notice that they shouldn't treat their people like serfs. Same goes for religious repression and genocide ala Rawanda or Cambodia that we never got involved in. That would've been a cause worth fighting for. Maybe we won't let such things happen in the future. That is, unless you liberals can no longer keep us at home on the sideline of such affairs.
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | | If it would take WW3 to give 2-3 billion a better life than they have now in absolute poverty and ruin under repressive governments, |
Then all modern capitalist countries have to stop screwin over other third world countries, and those who are in "charge" (I use that term lightly) of superpower economy should stop encouraging all repressive governments, not just the ones who dont take your crap and dont abide by your rules. |
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| DaveSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
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By invading North Korea, I think we could quite possibly set in motion a very dangerous chain of events.
I think this Woodward thing is probably the final nail in the coffin regardless, so maybe it's pointless to have this argument. ;)
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That's what these nuts like Robertson are emblematic of, and why I am vehemently opposed to them.
They favor repression over liberty. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
Throwing RPGs is more like it. And no, there are no similarities here, since we've never tolerated a dictatorship in America which deprived us of all freedoms. Want a similarity with Iraq? Pick North Korea.
I'm sure the people would hate us liberating them as well.
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Your nation was basically founded and strengthened through slavery.. the total opposite of freedom.
Get your hick head out of your ass |
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| Tranc3 |
| Before this escalates into a full-out flamewar between Smokeape and everyone else, I'd just like to know if there's a transcript or a good summary somewhere out there as I missed it. I knew Bush was in bed with the Christian Coalition and whatnot, but I didn't know he was actually one of the crazier ones. |
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