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stereo seperartion and inverted channels
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| dj prometheus |
| Ok for my last song I inverted the left and right channels on accident and realized this was a big misteak to do to my whole song but I noticed as I had adjusted a few levels while seperated, some parts sound better inverted.I inverted just those parts and they were my pads and a trippy synth.Is this taboo or should I trust my ears on this one.Will this make it any harder to remaster and will it give a remaster pro a headache to know I switched the two on those instruments |
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| Digital Aura |
Inverted the 2 channels??
You mean left is now right and vice versa??
Why would it make such a big difference?
And why does it feel like I just "pulled a n00b?!":eek: |
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| dj prometheus |
| yes you are correct I switched left to right with the fruity stereo seperator.(there is an invert button)I used a type of phaser on the pads/synth and as soon as I switched em back to noraml everyrthing else sounded better but them(the phaser added too much high frequencies)So I kept those sounds switched. |
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| SgtFoo |
| Stereo seperation in any case has to do with changing the actual phase of the sound. Keep in mind that if any stereo soundwaves (paired) are ever near 180 degrees off from eachother, that particular sound will cancel out (mute) in a mono output. |
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| dj prometheus |
I actually heard about a set of headphones that do that if you want peace and quiet.They send an oppisite signal like that.
I also sepearated the stereo so the sounds still come through the tune.Do you think that by doing this the frequencies I didn't want were cancelled out?I still don't know if what I did was right or wrong as far as doin it prostyle.If my actions were taboo please let me know. |
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| Dj Thy |
Well even in stereo it can cause strange effects, like on the track I found out you had a problem.
If left and right are phase inverted, it will sound wrong right away. Like the stereo is too wide, but most importantly, it sounds like there is a hole in the middle.
Of course, phase isn't always bad. Working with phase is used a lot to widen up stereo. But it should be used with care, just to avoid the above problems. Try to create width in every other possible way first. If you don't get it to that point, you might try phase tricks. But always with care. To help you avoiding problems, there are special meters, called phase correlation meters. I dunno if fruity has one incorporated, but there are plugins and software packages (like Wavelab and Izotope Ozone) that have them. The way to read them is stay on the 0 to +1 side, try not to go towards -1.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/home...urst/cplugs.htm has one...
So, like I said, if you want width, try to use phase tricks as a last resort only, unless you know very well what you're doing. |
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| dj prometheus |
yeah I took your advice after the last post and reinverted the rest of the song but after I did there were those two sounds that were stray.I used it primarily to combat the high frequencies the phaser I applied.I think an even easier soulution would be to THROW FRUITY OUT THE WINDOW.AS all it has it a crappy eight band eq that only goes up to 8000(or is it 800...ah whateva)and so it doesn't catch those particular frequencies and the worst part is, is that it has 2 eight bands when one 16 would be a thousand times better.
I guess here is my new question what do I adjust to take the highness out of the phaser without losing the depth to it or making it sound dull or flat.It sounds like it would give a lot of people a headache as high frequencies do that. |
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| DJ-Fuq |
Or u could try actually learning how to use the parametric eq :rolleyes:
edit: ok ill be a bit more helpful.. click the plug icon at the top left of the eq window then click help and read what it says. |
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| shockwavedj |
Inverting L&R channels is a troublesome way to give a track a stereo feeling due to many reasons: sound cancellation on mono submix, frequency cancellation when you move around the speakers (specially bass sounds cancellation) and a muddy and confusing sound.
You should try with other solutions to obtain more spaciality. Try, carefully of course, with low levels of reverbs, with stereo chorus and flangers, use stereo delays with a 5-30 ms delay (different on each channel), use stereo doublers, use a different filter for each channel, use two synths with similar (but not equal) settings on every stereo channel... There are many ways to obtain a wide stereo track, you should consider the one that better fits what you have in mind. |
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| dj prometheus |
| that gives me some great ideas man.Thank you I believe you have made me that much better.I think im gonna do a bit more work on my tune and afterwards utilize that knowledge for my next tune. |
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