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The Destruction of Rafah (pg. 2)
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
You know what??
International Community Stinks
what a giant issue is being made about this & other israeli actions.
In comparison to Russia's acts in Chechnya - Israel is an angel, and you know what? The International Community, EU, UN and and the Vatikan lol, didnt give a damn about Chechnya... :wtf:
you also want to compare the amount of Terror and Suffer inside Israel, with the one in Russia leading to the war? Russia is like Heaven of interior security.
you dont believe the world is hypocrite ? :eek:
read some...
War Crimes In Chechnya and the Response of the West
http://hrw.org/wr2k4/7.htm#_Toc58744956
“Glad to be Deceived”: the International Community and Chechnya
http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/russia...r-testimony.htm
p.s. i'm not stupid, i'm not saying israel is doing nothing wrong - world's reaction to it is what amazes me. |
So if you think Israel is wrong bloody well say so or do something. ing vote Sharon out...
To all the other Israeli hawks...
Do you honestly think that this will make Palestinians stop bombing your country? Your ing retarded if you think that this will have any other affect than make you lives a whole lot harder (and possibly a whole lot shorter...) |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
You know what??
International Community Stinks
what a giant issue is being made about this & other israeli actions.
In comparison to Russia's acts in Chechnya - Israel is an angel, and you know what? The International Community, EU, UN and and the Vatikan lol, didnt give a damn about Chechnya... :wtf:
you also want to compare the amount of Terror and Suffer inside Israel, with the one in Russia leading to the war? Russia is like Heaven of interior security.
you dont believe the world is hypocrite ? :eek:
read some...
War Crimes In Chechnya and the Response of the West
http://hrw.org/wr2k4/7.htm#_Toc58744956
“Glad to be Deceived”: the International Community and Chechnya
http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/russia...r-testimony.htm
p.s. i'm not stupid, i'm not saying israel is doing nothing wrong - world's reaction to it is what amazes me. |
I just read the Chechnya links... and it sounds alot like the formation of Israel..displacement, murder, genocide, theft, oppression, state-terror.
These two conflicts are similar in many respects, whether it be civilians murdered or....murdered...
the only difference is that the Chechnya fiasco is a relatively new conflict, beginning in the 90's..where the plaestinians have dealt with this for half a century...
Stop changing the ing topic and concentrate on the evil israel is doing...shame on you zionists for this dispicable act of inhumane proportions |
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| Goashem |
| i gotta agree here that collective punishment is not the way to go, but i dont believe the palestinians will ever stop the violence untill every jew is out of israel, and thats why sharon has so much support. having sharon is like saying:"you want war? we'll give you war" |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
yes yes... everyone else is wrong except yourself:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
i guess you havn't checked the links.
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
So if you think Israel is wrong bloody well say so or do something. ing vote Sharon out...
To all the other Israeli hawks...
Do you honestly think that this will make Palestinians stop bombing your country? Your ing retarded if you think that this will have any other affect than make you lives a whole lot harder (and possibly a whole lot shorter...) |
maybe you are right that this action now in Gaza won't realy help and will bring only more death with it - myabe your wrong. Maybe Sharon should be voted out...
but the problem is,
the international community critisizes Israel not on this basis. the main topics are "Israel is committing War Crimes", "State terrorism", "an immediate U.N. Security Council meeting to discuss the demolition of Palestinian homes."
what about conflict in Chechniya? the world is silent - hypocrite. Were there those "U.N. Security Council Immidiate disscusions" about Russia's carept bombing on Grosney? |
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| St_Andrew |
| i actually agree with Flotser here, tho that doesn't really mean anything, since what they are doing is still wrong. but yeah Chechniya should be more on the topic.. |
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| hausmusic |
| Chechnya is another topic we are talking about Isreal. Think about it ... think really hard ... are you thinking? .... this act is raising more hate towards Isreal. Now not only by extreamists by normal people everyone in the world right now KNOWS ISreal is in up really bad. Give me one reason how this act will stop the violence or help the pull out. Egypt isnt the only way millitant's are armed. Where there is a will there is a way. And trust me There is more than enough WILL for Isreal to ever handle. |
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| Goashem |
| quote: | Originally posted by hausmusic
Chechnya is another topic we are talking about Isreal. Think about it ... think really hard ... are you thinking? .... this act is raising more hate towards Isreal. Now not only by extreamists by normal people everyone in the world right now KNOWS ISreal is in up really bad. Give me one reason how this act will stop the violence or help the pull out. Egypt isnt the only way millitant's are armed. Where there is a will there is a way. And trust me There is more than enough WILL for Isreal to ever handle. |
well said, you basically proved why israel should continue what its doing. :rolleyes: |
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| hausmusic |
| Ok if thats what you understood maybe i should make it a little more clear for you. Isreal should stop killing people and pulling down houses give back occupied lands. Which makes peace with Palistinians, then probably lend a helping hand to help rebuild a country they took down. Pay bloodmoney to orphans and widows. And finally have world acceptance. |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by hausmusic
Chechnya is another topic we are talking about Isreal. Think about it ... think really hard ... are you thinking? .... this act is raising more hate towards Isreal. Now not only by extreamists by normal people everyone in the world right now KNOWS ISreal is in up really bad. |
i believe that largly, people are missinformed about whats realy is going on... so they dont realy KNOW. but ofcourse thats just an opinion of mine
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Give me one reason how this act will stop the violence or help the pull out. |
[just an OPINION]
i believe the majority of the palsetinian socity does want peace, but they are very weak near the extrimists and well financed and acceptable terror organiztions, terror organiztions are like a cancer that is spreading in conditions such as in the terretories. the PLO is not dealing with it... So israel has to... fighting the cancer may give more power to the reasonable people out there - and it also can do the opposite :\ .
maybe its not the right solution, but the right way dealing with the issue is not so obvious as you might think[/OPINION]
you want another reason?
there are signes that palestinians are very close to smuggelling Katyusha rockets to gaza, stopping this WILL help stopping the violance.
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Egypt isnt the only way millitant's are armed. Where there is a will there is a way. And trust me There is more than enough WILL for Isreal to ever handle. |
where is will there is a way, i agree. but the situation in gaza is not like it was in Lebanon for example. except from the border with Egypt, Gaza has only a sea shore, and a border with Israel.... so smuggeling will become very difficult.
they will surley advance the "Qasam" mini rockets they are already regurely using though. |
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| Goashem |
| quote: | Originally posted by hausmusic
Ok if thats what you understood maybe i should make it a little more clear for you. Isreal should stop killing people and pulling down houses give back occupied lands. Which makes peace with Palistinians, then probably lend a helping hand to help rebuild a country they took down. Pay bloodmoney to orphans and widows. And finally have world acceptance. |
much better, could have worked if there were no radicals who try to annihilate israel. |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by hausmusic
Ok if thats what you understood maybe i should make it a little more clear for you. Isreal should stop killing people and pulling down houses give back occupied lands. Which makes peace with Palistinians, then probably lend a helping hand to help rebuild a country they took down. Pay bloodmoney to orphans and widows. And finally have world acceptance. |
And when the Palestinians have their land back and are dancing in the streets the groups that have declared they will never stop until Israel is destroyed keep attacking israeli citizens with rockets and suicide bombers with more porous borders than ever. What do you do then? Then do you condone taking out the terrorist finally? Or does the world do what it does now, make a bunch of worthless statements while people die?
If Israel has to pay bloodmoney then so should the families of the Palestinian suicide bombers who supported killing innocent women and children for the pure sake of killing. |
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| Yoepus |
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=844
(Yes I know its Debka, but I think this article brings up interesting perspectives and is middle-road)
So this is what happened:
11 Israeli soldiers were killed and then savagely humiliated infront of the eyes of Israel in a 'regular' operation to stop tunneling action by direct surgical attacks near Raffah.
The Palestinians not appreicating, or perhaps realizing the risk Israel was taking in these operation by surgical attacks decided to act and created an attack.
The solution for Israel was simple, no more surgical attacks. Instead of risking the lives if its young soldiers, it simply decided to increase the 20m long buffer zone between Egypt - Israel - Gaza to 700m to prevent such further abuses.
So now tunneling is very, very, very difficult as the distance have vastly been increased. Further Israeli soldiers are no longer at risk to sniper, RPG, rocket, and grenade fire that they have been subject to daily, and lastly civilians will be better in the long term as terrorist will no longer have the luxury to abuse their protections.
Israel under the Oslo accords (mind you, not that I believe they mean anything anymore) was held responsible for the adminstration of the Gaza - Egypt border.
to top it off, heres another interesting one (with map):
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=845 |
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