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Toronto out of Olympic bid 2012
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| starsearcher |
Well at least this time we are not even finalists. Here is the rundown of the cities that go to the finals and their odds.
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Candidate cities for 2012 Olympics
The IOC has shortlisted Paris, London, Madrid, New York and Moscow as candidate cities to host the 2012 Olympics. Here, we give an overview of how the five bids compare.
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PARIS (Odds to win: 11/10)
Strengths:
The French capital's accommodation capacity and transport infrastructure can cope with a huge influx of people.
World Cup 1998 was hailed as a great success and the Stade de France is already up to Olympic standard.
Some believe that the commitment displayed by the French government in staging a second bid after losing out to Beijing for the 2008 Games will go down well with the IOC.
And the general success of the 2003 World Athletics Championships have left Paris the bookies' favourite at this early stage.
Weaknesses:
Paris' poor presentation of their bid for 2008 did not impress certain parties and that may still be held against them.
And, as a result of missing out on that Games, the original land set aside for the athletes' village has been given over to property developers.
It is hard to estimate how long negative international reaction to the French government's stance over Iraq will linger.
More detail on the Paris bid
LONDON (Odds to win: 5/4)
Strengths:
Manchester made a success of the Commonwealth Games in 2002 and that is considered a major boost to London's hopes.
Olympic president Jacques Rogge was impressed and says the English capital is a front-runner.
The fact that 2012 is the year of the Queen's Diamond Jubilee may form a central part of leader Barbara Cassani's campaign.
Weaknesses:
The city was hit by confusion over the rebuilding of Wembley Stadium.
And the aborted campaign to host the 2005 World Athletics Championships - London pulled out after a row over the proposed site at Picketts Lock - also dented its international sporting standing.
Its ailing transport infrastructure could also be a big handicap.
More detail on the London bid
MADRID (Odds to win: 7/1)
Strengths:
Madrid's status as a major European capital and its reputation as a centre of sporting passion will endear it to the IOC.
The transport infrastructure is well funded and could cope with the demands of an Olympic Games.
Weaknesses:
The major factor counting against Madrid is Barcelona's hosting of the Games in 1992.
In Olympic terms, 20 years may be too short a period in which to award the event to the same country.
More detail on the Madrid bid
NEW YORK (Odds to win: 8/1)
Strengths:
New York's unsurpassed profile gives it a real advantage, and the 11 September terrorist attacks make it the sentimental choice.
Direct US involvement inevitably makes the task of marketing the Games easier.
Weaknesses:
Vancouver's successful bid for the 2010 Winter Games is a big blow, as the IOC is less likely to back consecutive events in one continent.
The Atlanta Games were much criticised, with former IOC chief Juan Antonio Samaranch significantly omitting his usual sign-off that they had been the "best ever Games".
On a wider front, criticism of American foreign policy could well count against New York.
More detail on the New York bid
MOSCOW (Odds to win: 20/1)
Strengths:
Having hosted the Olympics in 1980, Russia believes it has the knowhow to stage the event and would just need to modernise its sports infrastructure.
President Vladimir Putin will support the bid wholeheartedly, while IOC chief Jacques Rogge could be sympathetic to a bid from the city where he was elected in 2001.
The Games would help reverse the fortunes of Russian sport, which has been in decline since the break-up of the USSR.
All of the sports, including football and sailing could be held within one city.
Weaknesses:
Money is an obvious problem and the city may not be able to match rival bids.
Security would also be a concern but Russia would argue that, given the global war against terrorism, Moscow is just as safe as anywhere else.
Russia is known for its bureaucratic inefficiency. |
Looks like Moscow will be it according to this report :tongue2 |
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| Wurm |
The Olympics are a curse on the city that 'wins'.
If not for the long (financial) haul (because costs tend to be socialized and profits privatized) then for the nightmarish short haul when your city has to accomodate thousands and thousands of tourists. |
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| halo20 |
haha forget 2012, what about 2004?
I'm still waiting for that greek miracle to be completed on time. |
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| starsearcher |
| Yeah that's true of course but if you are successful then it creates amazing opportunities...apparently reports show that Syndey - Asutralia still are benefiting from the Olympics till this day. |
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| halo20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
apparently reports show that Syndey - Asutralia still are benefiting from the Olympics till this day. |
apparently reports show that Montreal - Canada is still repaying the debt gained from the Olympics till this day. |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by halo20
apparently reports show that Montreal - Canada is still repaying the debt gained from the Olympics till this day. |
Good point :stongue: |
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| crazedcanuck |
Thanks god.... the asslocwns that are the power-brokers in this city only used the olympics for Toronto schtick to get their hands on the waterfront.
And now, it's condo central... the real anti-island-airport ppl are those who want to privately develop the waterfront.
Do you know that the only air-ambulance in the GTA is located in the Island Airport, with no helipads in downdown?!?!! They need to land on the island, then take the ferry across, but a bridge may "ruin" our cities island charm according to the leftist clown David Miller.
Hey, lives be damned, @ least we have our cities "charm"... not to mention millions in corprate pockets on housing that has illegaly been developed, blocking approaching aircaft because they violated building codes and built too high, forcing the shutdown of landingstrips.
David Miller, Dalton McGuinty, and Paul Martin.. goooo Super Soundbyte Trinity!!! Keep voting for "change" |
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| starsearcher |
| Well the waterfront still needs development though it looks like crap...:rolleyes: |
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| crazedcanuck |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
Well the waterfront still needs development though it looks like crap...:rolleyes: |
True, but development into a wider lakeshore roadway, with open public parkland as opposed to the industrial mess (meaning Goverment and the Docks would have to go too btw) Which is what was promised regardless of the Olympic bids success.
That doesn't include PRIVATE developers and the powerbrokers in this city taking that land and making it their cookie-cutter condo crap fest.
And if you want to engage in a debate, fine, but don't roll your eyes like a childish wimp. If you disagree with my asessment of your left-wing heroes, and the state of the city, then say something articulate.
Until then, continue your powerfull uses of emoticons in debate. |
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| avikonen |
| New York will get it :) |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by crazedcanuck
True, but development into a wider lakeshore roadway, with open public parkland as opposed to the industrial mess (meaning Goverment and the Docks would have to go too btw) Which is what was promised regardless of the Olympic bids success.
That doesn't include PRIVATE developers and the powerbrokers in this city taking that land and making it their cookie-cutter condo crap fest.
And if you want to engage in a debate, fine, but don't roll your eyes like a childish wimp. If you disagree with my asessment of your left-wing heroes, and the state of the city, then say something articulate.
Until then, continue your powerfull uses of emoticons in debate. |
Wow wow wow...slow down there tiger :whip:
I said the waterfront needs development cause it looks like crap. That doesn't necessarily mean green lands and parklands...thats not what i'd like to have there... Besides there is a helipad in the hospital area and i think it's on the roof of sick kids hospital so learn your facts first.
What I'd like to see on the waterfront are restaurants, more event places, places to walk around and relax in...right now we have nothing down there but a little marina and 1 space dedicated to what i've mentioned above. Condos are okay, i don't see anything wrong with them there, hell i'd love to live in one of those - there needs to be a lot of work done other than that.
Besides condos are important because Toronto needs density, one of the major reasons why TTC is lacking in funds.
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By the way aren't they building some stupid Olympics building on dundas next to dundas square? |
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| crazedcanuck |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
Besides there is a helipad in the hospital area and i think it's on the roof of sick kids hospital so learn your facts first. |
Actually, they don't. My sister works for Paladin Air Ambulance, located on the island. The closest airpad for a helicopter in the GTA is in Missisauge, and also Pearson has one.
| quote: | [b]What I'd like to see on the waterfront are restaurants, more event places, places to walk around and relax in...right now we have nothing down there but a little marina and 1 space dedicated to what i've mentioned above. Condos are okay, i don't see anything wrong with them there, hell i'd love to live in one of those - there needs to be a lot of work done other than that.
Besides condos are important because Toronto needs density, one of the major reasons why TTC is lacking in funds. |
Condos aren't the issue for me, as much as the fact the public has been mislead, yet again. David Miller promised an end to backroom dealing, using the Island airport as his poster-child. How inter-government level's PUBLIC dealing constitutes backroom is beyond me. The only force that seems to be benefitting @ the expense of the public and Toronto economy, are Miller's developer buddies. His ward he used to be councillor for, happens to be the one surrounding the airport, and knee-deep in condo-madness... gee, I wonder where he got the $$$ to run for Mayor...
Much like McGuinty's "Choose Change", he sang a good tune, and like the Pied Piper, is leading the rats around town.
Sorry to come down so harsh initially btw, but the roll-eyes seemed fairly dismissive, and I've been debating this on another forum for sometime. |
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