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Islam: A Defective Civilization? (pg. 4)
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
So the US toppled the Shah, and created a far greater mess of anti-western sentiments, through the UK who simply stopped buying oil from Iran? And how exactly did this increase Khomeini's ability to sieze power? SOurce? |
Well, not quite like that. Actually, in this cas it's the british who are the ones responsible for toppling the Shah, while the US was mostly ambivalent towards the issue. Although Jimmy Carter did sort of condemn the shah for his violent oppression of the islamic opposition. The brits did have an exclusive contract at the time for extracting iranian oil. By boycotting it, they hoped to bring instability and to force the shah to renew their monopoly. I'm pretty sure nobody really wanted the islamic revolution to happen, but things don't always work out as planned. Hell, nobody wants to see Iraq turn into a fundamentalist muslim country, yet that's exactly what it's becomming. I'll search for sources later, kinda tired now. |
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| trewqy |
I just realised that Alexander the Great converted to Islam before he died.
Look.. to the one who made this topic, if Islam is really such a bad religion and all that, why is it the fastest growing religion in the world? |
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| arctic |
| quote: | | Originally posted by trewqy Look.. to the one who made this topic, if Islam is really such a bad religion and all that, why is it the fastest growing religion in the world? |
Poor argument IMO. Firstly, it isn't the fastest growing religion in the world - that title probably belongs to neo-paganism, wicca and so forth, or possible the eastern faiths as they gain acceptance in the west (Buddhism is the fastest growing religion here, in four years it went from about 200,000 adherents to 350,000 adherents). The Baha'i World Faith also seems to be growing at a rather fast rate - so it probably deserves a mention too. Now, as for your assertion that because it's growing fast, it must be good - how does that make sense? For instance, Scientology is growing at a disturbingly fast rate (probably faster than Islam), but it's a vicious, dishonest cult that specializes in pseudo-science, blackmail and brain washing. You can't judge something's quality by looking at it's growth rate, you need to look at the actual religion and it's theology.
That being said, I don't necessarily think that Islam itself is a bad religion, but I do think that many Muslims are backward nutters who've got no grip on reality - but I believe that's due to the culture and environment in which the live, rather than the religion that they practice. If it was Christianity that was dominant in the middle east today, then the priests there would simply use verses from the old testament to justify murder and terrorism, goodness knows, there's enough of them. |
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| TuanAnh213 |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
That being said, I don't necessarily think that Islam itself is a bad religion, but I do think that many Muslims are backward nutters who've got no grip on reality |
i've always thought you were smarter than that to make blatant generalizations and assumptions...looks like you don't know many muslim or people of middle eastern descent |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
For instance, Scientology is growing at a disturbingly fast rate (probably faster than Islam), but it's a vicious, dishonest cult that specializes in pseudo-science, blackmail and brain washing. |
Well, it's a religion, isn't it? Whaddya expect?:thepirate |
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| arctic |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Well, it's a religion, isn't it? Whaddya expect?:thepirate |
Haha - John Travolta was on a talk show down here recently where he happily informed the audience that people misunderstood Scientology because they haven't read about it - then told them to go out and read up on it if they're interested in how good it is. Somewhat ironic considering the fact that nearly all the publications and articles on it that aren't put out by the COS are actually heavily critical of it, and nearly always describe it as a criminal cult. :p
| quote: | Originally posted by TuanAnh213
i've always thought you were smarter than that to make blatant generalizations and assumptions...looks like you don't know many muslim or people of middle eastern descent |
Hold on there - I think that many humans are backward nutters who've got no grip on reality, irrespective of which particular religion they follow. Would you prefer it if I pretended that every Muslim was a 'nice intelligent person' when I really don't think that they are?
Now, that being said - I do think that when one looks at the middle east and the situation there, it's blatantly obvious that a lot of the people there have been brain washed. Where else do you see that level of religious fundamentalism? Thankfully Christianity seems to have grown out of it - although the current situation in the US gives me cause for concern. Once again, I don't think that this is necessarily the 'fault' of Islam, it's just happened due to the level of poverty, the lack of quality education and the socio economic situation in general.
Lastly, how did I make blatant generalizations. If you read my post, you'll note that I used the word many rather than all[ or most. If you're asserting that what I said was wrong, then fine - let's look at the evidence, without the old 'well you must not know anyone from the Middle East then!' stuff, okay? |
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| Reverend_Trance |
| quote: | Originally posted by trewqy
I just realised that Alexander the Great converted to Islam before he died. |
Alexander converted to a religion that was created 900 years after his death. Hmmmmmm.. Died in 323 BC, Islamic Calendar starts 622 AD.
| quote: | Originally posted by trewqy
Look.. to the one who made this topic, if Islam is really such a bad religion and all that, why is it the fastest growing religion in the world? |
IT IS I WHO CREATED THIS MESS.
Islam is a fast growing religion due to the practicality of service for salvation. (The Five Pillars of Islam) Also Islam is seen favorable due to its links with Judaism and Christianity. Another thing that makes it favorable is "conversion by the sword." Islam did not conquer to make an empire they conquered to make CONVERTS.
They "supposedly" follow the God of Judaism and Christianity. They claim decendence from Abraham and his first son Ishmeal.
As a student of theology, as a comparative religion the ties between Judaism and Christianity are more prevailant than Islam.
Muslims say that Mohammed was the last purifier of the Holy Scriptures.
The Old Testement (Jewish Pentatuch and Talmud) list the signs of the Messiah and Jesus fulfills all of the said predictions. In Judaism, the Messiah has not come yet. Jesus was the fulilment for the Christians, while Islam is still hanging on to its coat tails. |
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| hadi burpee |
| quote: | Originally posted by hausmusic
Belonging to a religion has nothing to do with economic or political gain. Religion is a way of life for Islam and Christianity at least
only a few major concepts are part of religion.. be good be good to others. I mean if you want to go out and say islam is bad because most Muslims live in impoverished areas. Well im sure Jesus was rolling in an Rolls and blingin from head to toe.*(he wasnt he struggled a lot) Islam teaches you not to need material things. You have to look at a family that follows Islam in a country where cultural problems dont keep people down. Canada would be the best example. Culture and Religion are 2 different things and often mistaken. You would think in North America where people are supposedly more educated than say India or Pakistan, would be aware of that.
guess not |
ooo, good post
i a lot of people are quick to point the finger and say it is bad based on how people are living and calling themselves "followers of wahtever religion" and they base their opinion on the religion from that. however, if someone wants to have a proper opinion, they should base it off reading the holy book, but people are too lazy i guess. i am not saying read books about the holy books, but the holy books themselves, so you dont get someone else's opinion |
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| seawinde |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
Agreed. And since when was Islam a 'civilization'? :nervous: |
since ur ancient grandpa ed ur grandma |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by seawinde
since ur ancient grandpa ed ur grandma |
Just like mormonism, scientology, buddhism, and devil worshipping are civilizations not to be confused with religions? |
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| fastmp3 |
| so many hatred towards islam and muslim , it's a shame :o |
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| ProDiGaL |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
it's blatantly obvious that a lot of the people there have been brain washed. Where else do you see that level of religious fundamentalism? Thankfully Christianity seems to have grown out of it |
lolololollool |
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