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Monitor decision + sub
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| midaV |
I am searching for a pair of monitors and I am looking to spend around $300-600 range. What I am wondering is should I get let's say a pair of Even Tr6's for example, and spend another $200-400 on a sub for the monitors.
Or are there any alternatives for monitors, that come with a good bass response. Because if I can get a pair that come with enough bass response, then i'll just go ahead and buy it, rather then spend another 400 on a "good" sub.
Once again my range is up to $600 MAX.. any suggestions?
And is bass response on most monitors weak and inaccurate? Would it give a bad judgement of overall bass in track?
..we should have a sticky for "refrence monitors":rolleyes: |
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| xfer |
| I just bought the new KRK RP8. The bass response is sweet and only $249 each. Goto Guitar Center Hollywood and try to get them to give them to you for $200 each if that fails. Come down to the San Bernardino Store and I will hook you up , just ask for Andy |
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| midaV |
| awsome, thanks for the info. |
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| Vizay |
watch out for subs, they are tricky when it comes to using them for reference...
it always ends up with a well balansed setting on the sub in the beginning but after a few weeks when youv'e got used to it you'll start think that there ain't enough bass and crank it up. Happens to 90% of the people using subs while producing :p |
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| josh |
I reckon SUb woofer will come in best for Post Production. Am I right? If not will be mastering stage?
Koz my ex sch holding HR824 speaker with woofer in the studio. mainly for mastering stage. and recording. If not, I cant think of when the sub should come in for music production. |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh
I reckon SUb woofer will come in best for Post Production. Am I right?
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that's when I use subs.. when I'm done mastering and mixing I play it on my cars system (2 12" subs) for a final reference on the bass.. and 90% of the time it sounds perfect so long as I masted it with my monitors correctly.. |
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| hey cheggy |
| Not the best idea to mix with the sub on |
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| Dj Thy |
That's because most people set their sub up wrong. A sub is not there to "add" bass, but to extend the response to lower frequencies. A well set up sub is not really audible. The most strict recommendations come as the ITU 775 (placement) and SMPTE RP 200 (level calibration) "standards". They are more standards towards surround sound, but they handle well in stereo too.
I swear, in a very well set up monitoring, you can't really tell there is a subwoofer if they don't tell you. If they switch it off, you can say there's something that fell away.
Most people think subs are made for playing bass, and lot's of it. Better buy a vibrating chair then... |
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| josh |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Thy
That's because most people set their sub up wrong. A sub is not there to "add" bass, but to extend the response to lower frequencies. A well set up sub is not really audible. The most strict recommendations come as the ITU 775 (placement) and SMPTE RP 200 (level calibration) "standards". They are more standards towards surround sound, but they handle well in stereo too.
I swear, in a very well set up monitoring, you can't really tell there is a subwoofer if they don't tell you. If they switch it off, you can say there's something that fell away.
Most people think subs are made for playing bass, and lot's of it. Better buy a vibrating chair then... |
Im agreed with you upon that of the set up. I used to be in the studio and thought that HR824 had SUB till I move to the back and found that there's actually a sub. Perhaps I never heard of Hr824 before. :)
But upon mastering stage, will the ppl consider using the sub to test the Lows on their song/ post productions? That's something I would like to know more on the sub placing in the studio. |
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| Pappa |
| Let me ask this, durring mixing, even if u feel a bit of bass from your monitors, how would u know, that your not muddy'in up the mix, b/c I ran into a problem that I made a song, and it sounded sweet on the monitors, bass and all from what I could tell, i mean, I didn't run it threw a spectrum analyzer, but it felt that it was well mixxed, so I thought, I put it on my home theater, 2- Paradigm Servo 15's. *Sounds like a Club, when the right Mastered CD is in", and it was muddy as all get out. I use that as my reference to what I think it should sound like in a club to a point. So how in the early stages, without a sub, or maybe lack of knowing that u have to much lows, type deal. Maybe Im wording it wrong, but if you can decifer what Im trying to point across. Let me know hehe, hope I didn't loose anyone's intrest on this post. |
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| Flashback |
Well personally I want a sub because most moniters cut off at 60-80hz. Lots of music goes lower then that to 40hz. It is annoying also when you mix a kick with bassline, then go to your car and it sounds like dogmeat. If only for that signal reason to have a sub, then let it be so. It is a royal pain in the ass burning a cd to play in a car, then going it isn't loud enough, or it is to loud, or not mixed right for the bass.
It would be nice to mix on your nice system and not give a rats ass how it sounds on another system. Why, because it sounded good on your system and if it sucks on another system, then there system must just suck. That is the philosophy of a mastering house is it not? They have speakers that cost 30-40 grand for a pair. If it sounds good on those it is done. It will sound good on every other system in the world, period. Maybe that is why you get a sub. |
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| Dj Thy |
The philosophy of a (good) mastering house is just that : get very accurate speakers, that can tell you what's going on precisely.
They cost a lot because such accurate speakers are hard to make. Not because they are sounding good. Most people that are used to a "good" system will even say speakers used in mastering houses sound dull. Like I said, their aim is to show you the truth, not embellish it.
Good mastering houses use subs too. Because frankly, most 2/3-way speakers can't handle the very low frequencies there. Again, a good sub can cost quite a bit (sometimes even more than the main speakers), because the conception of those is also very difficult, especially when they need to be accurate.
In fact, when I see those home cinema packs they sell in the shops, I gotta laugh. Usually the sub is just a tad bigger than the main speakers, and it's very light (not to mention that they have, what, an 8" driver?). A good sub needs to be heavy (low frequencies, vibrations), and the volume (as in size, not sound volume) should be well controlled.
But, to answer the question, how to know if your speakers are accurate? Well, only time and experience can tell, that's it. You think those mastering engineers bought speakers worth a load, just because they heard a friend tell they sounded "da bomb". No, they spent years training their ears (most mastering engineers have had a career as recording or mixing engineer behind them), and they know what to expect from their speakers. After all those years they may be able to make a judgement on which speakers suit them best, but even then they need some time to "learn" their speakers.
Let it also be known that usually, monitors used in a recording/mixing studio are not the same as in a mastering studio (not the same aim really), but the problem remains the same, you need to know your monitors/room inside out. Listen to as much material as possible on them, and make notes. Once you know their flaws and good points, your job will be easier. |
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