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What makes Bush a Good or Bad leader (pg. 2)
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
Obviously the quality of your posts hasn't changed over time. :rolleyes: |
so you agree with the third reason in his post?
I thought you may have been a little more enlightened. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
I spent many a sleepless night wondering why 1/2 the country likes Bush...
1. His most dedicated base, the Christian right, will vote for him no matter what he does, just as long as he keeps pushing Christian values, laws, judges, and faith based programs. That's a pretty large chunk of the country. Can you say bible belt (Midwest and the south)? It's like asking someone to change his or her religion because of a bad priest, it ain't going to happen.
2. Another key constituent, big business, who has received so many favors, taxes breaks, and deregulation, they must be having wet dreams thinking about reelecting him to a second term. The corporate employees who fear losing their job if preferential treatment is reduced will also vote Bush.
3. Oh let's not forget about that average Joe personality that dumb people just can't get enough of. If Clinton proved anything personality trumps all. Ever since the invention of TV people have wanted a movie star for president. Just think of three of our most popular presidents: JFK, Reagan, and Clinton.
4. Finally let's not forget we love a president who makes us feel patriotic and tough. Hell we've got an action hero who speaks in one-liners. Didn't you hear he's going to rid the world of 'evildoers'! :rolleyes: Who knows Arnold Swarzenagger might be our next president.
Pretty scary huh! |
Sorry but attempting to generalize bush voters as being A) ultra-religious, B) Stupid, or C) the corrupt, wealthy intelligentsia IS rather elitist. Remember, stereotypes are equally ratarded regardless of whehter they come from the left or the right. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
I spent many a sleepless night wondering why 1/2 the country likes Bush...
1. His most dedicated base, the Christian right, will vote for him no matter what he does, just as long as he keeps pushing Christian values, laws, judges, and faith based programs. That's a pretty large chunk of the country. Can you say bible belt (Midwest and the south)? It's like asking someone to change his or her religion because of a bad priest, it ain't going to happen.
2. Another key constituent, big business, who has received so many favors, taxes breaks, and deregulation, they must be having wet dreams thinking about reelecting him to a second term. The corporate employees who fear losing their job if preferential treatment is reduced will also vote Bush.
3. Oh let's not forget about that average Joe personality that dumb people just can't get enough of. If Clinton proved anything personality trumps all. Ever since the invention of TV people have wanted a movie star for president. Just think of three of our most popular presidents: JFK, Reagan, and Clinton.
4. Finally let's not forget we love a president who makes us feel patriotic and tough. Hell we've got an action hero who speaks in one-liners. Didn't you hear he's going to rid the world of 'evildoers'! :rolleyes: Who knows Arnold Swarzenagger might be our next president.
Pretty scary huh! |
Depends what christians... cause even the POPE was against the War.. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
Depends what christians... cause even the POPE was against the War.. |
You say that as if it's a surprise? Is the pope usually a symbol of war?:conf: |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
You say that as if it's a surprise? Is the pope usually a symbol of war?:conf: |
Depends on the time horizon you attaches with the term "usually". I think that if you study the history of Europe throughout the ages, Popes have a tendency to cause more wars than they prevent. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
Kerry and his damn taxes still have people turning away from him as well. Seems to be a lose-lose situation IMO. Even Washington Post is confused with what Kerry "coulda shoulda woulda" done if he were president in the situation with Iraq. |
What taxes? You mean Kerry wishing to roll back the taxes for the most wealthy? That's a problem for you? Explain.
He also wants to keep the tax breaks for the middle class. Actually, he wants to increase tax breaks for the middle class that includes tax credits for health care and college tuition:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/
| quote: | Provide Tax Relief to Middle Class Families
John Kerry has the courage to take on the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. However, he believes that we should keep the middle class tax cuts that Democrats fought for in 2001 and 2003. Specifically, he wants to protect the increases in the child tax credit, the reduced marriage penalty and the new tax bracket that helps people save $350 on their first level of income. He strongly disagrees with Democrats who want to repeal these tax cuts because it would cost a typical middle-class family with two children an additional $2,000. These families are often already struggling with higher health care costs and higher state and local taxes. In fact, John Kerry wants to give more tax breaks to the middle class with new tax credits on health care and college tuition. These tax cuts are part of his plan to restore the economy and cut the budget deficit in half in four years.
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And I think it's obvious that Kerry would not have initially invaded Iraq, because it diverted attention away from the actual threat of terrorism from Al Qaeda. As to what he would like to do now with Iraq, you can read for yourself and decide:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/iraq/
| quote: | | all this, let's vote Nader! |
If you do not take issue with this President and his Administration, and do not wish to see a change in our current foreign and domestic policies, then by all means you go right ahead and vote for Nader. Realistically you ought to just be voting for Bush, if this is your current line of thinking.
But of course, it's your vote, and I have oh so little say in the matter. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Sorry but attempting to generalize bush voters as being A) ultra-religious, B) Stupid, or C) the corrupt, wealthy intelligentsia IS rather elitist. Remember, stereotypes are equally ratarded regardless of whehter they come from the left or the right. |
Thread author wanted to know why people support Bush, so I out lined a few general reasons. Duh yes they are generalizations because I didn't have time to individually interview the entire electorate to get their take. BTW, it's common knowledge, Bush's core base is religious people, that's not a stereotype that's a fact. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
Thread author wanted to know why people support Bush, so I out lined a few general reasons. Duh yes they are generalizations because I didn't have time to individually interview the entire electorate to get their take on why they would vote for Bush. BTW, it's common knowledge, Bush's core base is religious people, that's not a stereotype that's a fact. |
So Q5echo was warranted with his response that your post was elitist ... |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
So Q5echo was warranted with his response that your post was elitist ... |
lets hear your reasons if you think mine are so flawed and elitist, though I'm not sure how they were elitist or are you just stereotyping me :p BTW Q5echo isn't the most creditable source |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
So Q5echo was warranted with his response that your post was elitist ... |
Speaking in generalizations on one's opinions equates to elitism?
Eh? |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
lets hear your reasons if you think mine are so flawed and elitist, though I'm not sure how they were elitist or are you just stereotyping me :p BTW Q5echo isn't the most creditable source |
Simply put, your post stated that anyone who votes bush is either A) ultra-religious, B) Stupid, or C) corrupt. That isn't elitist?
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Speaking in generalizations on one's opinions equates to elitism?
Eh?
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In my opinion, I'm the smartest guy on these forums because everyone else is either A) Socialist B) A Liberal or C) A moron.
No I'm not being elitist ... that's just my opinion. Right? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
In my opinion, I'm the smartest guy on these forums because everyone else is either A) Socialist B) A Liberal or C) A moron.
No I'm not being elitist ... that's just my opinion. Right? |
The choices are correct, as is it being your opinion.
No problems here. What were we arguing again?:D |
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