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Why are bad words bad? (pg. 2)
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Iyrlk
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or you could look at it another way. bad words are bad because they mean bad things??!!!?!?!!!
for example: calling someone a whore isnt exactly good to hear for the other person right? calling someone a ing son of a bitch is the same thing. if you heard that even if it wasn't classified as bad words, you would not feel all good after hearing that..
so i guess that's why bad words are bad. |
The thing is, there are words that have bad meaning yet are not swear words, like euthanasia, genocide....things like that. They are incredibly bad, but they still say em.
I think we have to the point where we have heard the words so many times we are desensitized to them, the whole watered down thing. But I have not heard or read anything that defines why they are off limits and sooo bad.
for real, the only reason they offend people is the fact that they have been told the words are very bad. So thye perpetuate it by being offended when they hear one......and I have a strange suspicion of who these people are by the actions of the fcc.
so I haven't found any good links with useful information. |
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| vswede |
| its not the words its the tone of voice which the words are used in |
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| daydreamer |
it all depends me thinks.
like giving the middle finger. it is the worth we give it, that makes it bad. to me is just a finger standing out from the rest. to you it might mean something else. i leave it up to you.
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| subuddha |
the meaning of the words are always a subjective understanding that differs from person to person. yes, to some extent, they have a commonly accepted meaning, but if you dig a little you will find that the understanding of Blue, Whore, Love, Genocide, European, Bike will be different from person to person. classic example of this is psychologist asking patient what his first association is with certain words. (or sometimes picture, rohrschack-test) Why does this say something about the patient? because the answers will differ. therefore the meaning of words isnt a universal law, it is subjectivly decided.
this is always good to have in mind when communicating with others. one never knows what connotation a word has for someone else.
where am i going with this? who knows, my train of thought derailed before i finished the first sentence. and oh yeah, this above, this is my subjective understanding of words. doesnt mean it applies to you.
amyways, there will always be a need for bad language, things we are not allowed say and words representing horrible things. there seems to be a need for it. the words devaluate or loose their impact over time and new ones are re/invented. insults and other "bad" words (as well as the whole language evolve) compare old and new tabloids for the words that are used to get your attention, they have changed as the old ones wore out. same with insults.
still dont think i got back on track. nevermind.
good and bad isnt real, it is just something that we constantly create to make sense of things. |
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| Ben_Diesel |
Aight....to answer the question that started this post, I'll throw down what I've heard to be the meaning to "why" these words are bad. I'm not positive on the origin, but here's what I've heard to be the meaning behind "vulgar" words.
During Shakespearean times, there was a class of people commonly referred to as the "Vulgar". Lower class people who were pretty much vagrants and theives. Their way of life was dispicable (sp?). Anyway, everyone attended Shakespeare's plays and the Vulgar mother ******s sat down front on the dirt floor. Those sons of bitches used to cuss a lot, using words not unlike the ones we use in today's ed up society.
Being that they were referred to as the Vulgar, having no class and/or manners, it was improper to act as they did if you were a member of the upper class. If you used the words that they used, you were said to be using Vulgar language.
Never researched the validity of this story but it makes sense to me. Not that I'm accepting it as fact but to be honest, I don't give a where the "Vulgar" language came from. I don't care why we're not allowed to say and and **** and cock, because I'll say them anyway. There is such a thing as tact and it's not commonly known to be cool to simply say like that just to piss someone off. If they find it offensive, that's their thing and it should be respected...at least to a point anyways. What would be a good analogy of those of us who cuss being offended? Maybe if the non-cussing sons-a-bitches walked up to us and pissed on our shoes, we would take offense to that.
Aight....I'm gonna end my tangient now. Later you in' pricks!:tongue3 |
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| enferno |
it's not really that they are necessiarly bad . .
it's how they are interperated |
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| subuddha |
interesting story. plausible too.
latin Vulgus means common people and latin vulgaris means belonging to common the people.
The Vulgar refers to the common people as a class. |
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| Ben_Diesel |
| quote: | | The Vulgar refers to the common people as a class. |
Yeah...that's what I was saying. |
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| subuddha |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ben_Diesel
Yeah...that's what I was saying. |
sorry, i wasnt clear in my post. i wasnt correcting you. got this stuff verbatim from a dictionary. just confirming what you said. |
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| Boomer187 |
damn I had a nice long reply and my computer froze up and lost it.
What I gather from some answers is that it is the implied meaning of the word that makes it bad. But from what I see, they can have that meaning and they cannot have that meaning. That is the beauty of the words, they are used in many contexts.
So it should idealistically be phrases that denote that type of negative implied meaning that should be banned, not just a few words.
I guess the thing that set me on this line o thinking was I read that some parent didnt want their kid saying certain words. and I think, does it really matter. Shouldn't you teach them the meaning of all words and teach them how to use them properly. that does sound naive and I know it is tough to teach kids anything the 'right' way....but for real.
I equate it with sex and how it is taught in the us. we are taught don't do it, talk about it until your married....what happens, the oppopsite. Swear words, don't say/think/hear these until your an adult....
bah I dunno. I think my kid will know all the words around, but hopefully I can instill in him/her how to use em properly. |
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| emander |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
For really, I always hear people cringe at certain words, but in the end, I only think of them as words, just labels put over meanings.
I don't think it is the alcohol talking, this is something that has perplexed me in the past, why keep certain words away from kids, why keep them off tv and radio...
I seriously cannot think of a good reason why we try to ban certain words....hopefully one of you bright young fellows can assist me. |
Well, you don't want your five year old asking mom for some motherf*cking orange juice. Adults can handle it, but we have to keep the youngsters clean until around high school. |
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