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| MarkT |
^^^ I agree that we can't expect people to throw their beliefs out the window when they speak on an issue. However, when it comes to creating legislation, or when one's actions impact the lives of others, those beliefs need to take a back seat to the other person's rights and the law. "Majority rules" simply cannot be the guide when you're talking about rights...because then all minorities automatically lose and can be subject to cruel and unfair treatment.
The legal and procedural benefits (and obligations) of marriage are HUGE...I'm not a lawyer, but off the top of my head...property rights, income tax, and employment benefits are significantly altered based upon whether or not you are legally married.
I'm sure there are countless examples...but consider this...as I understand the law in Ontario, if you're in a common law relationship and not on title to the property (only your partner is), you have virtually ZERO rights to that property should the relationship end or if they pass away...even if you lived there for 20 years. You'd have to pursue the matter in court or contest a will (good luck). |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
I totally agree with gay marriage.
Why shouldn't gay people be allowed to be as miserable as all of the str8 married couples out there. :)
Seriously, the church has no place in the marriage question. When you get married in a church it is not official until you sign the legal papers. The church is just symbolic. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| Conservatives are saying that churches shouldn't have to be forced to grant gay marriages. I agree...but not all churches are against it. The United Church, for example, have many ministers across Canada more than willing. So, if a gay couple can find a minister or priest willing to marry them, all the power to them. But forcing the churches is going too far. |
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| aarontrance |
First off I'd like to say that I support gay marriage. I can't stand it when Bush or any other Catholic preaches about how it's a sin and they don't like it because they were brainwashed as a child. They should be able to do it in a church, because as far as I'm concerned it's more legal than "holy".
Second, gay couples should DEFINATELY be allowed to adopt, and she be encouraged to do so. There are so many orphans that could be placed in families with same sex parents that would in turn benefit the economy after they grew up. Who are we to say they should not be able to adopt if a man and a woman have that right? |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
Well Bush isn't a Catholic....he's actually a little worse, being a fanatical evangelical christian, a religion that dominates the south unfortunately. Anyway, the western democracies are supposed to have a separated church and state...so religion should not be an issue at all toward policy. I think all references to God in the Constitution, statutes and the anthem should be removed.
edit...pay no heed to my signature. I just like England's anthem's tune, not the words.:D |
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| Allegory |
To each his own guys. We cannot impose our beliefs on others. Everyone is entitled to live happily, and if a person is against same-sex marriage then thats okay, but the gay community should not have to suffer because one doesn't share their needs or views of life.
We've made many progressions throughout history, this is just another hurdle that will go down in the books. I personally believe that one is entitled to live their lifestyle as they would like, as long as it doesn't directly afflict others; I don't think it's our business to dictate whathappens in another persons household. |
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| Your Mother |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Well Bush isn't a Catholic....he's actually a little worse, being a fanatical evangelical christian, a religion that dominates the south unfortunately. Anyway, the western democracies are supposed to have a separated church and state...so religion should not be an issue at all toward policy. I think all references to God in the Constitution, statutes and the anthem should be removed.
edit...pay no heed to my signature. I just like England's anthem's tune, not the words.:D |
Not just the south man... I heard a quote on TV that around 40% of all Americans consider themselves evangelical (born again Christian). Bush won the election cause he had all those votes behind him.
-Your Mother |
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| Your Mother |
| quote: | Originally posted by musicsnob_NOT
I totally agree with gay marriage.
Why shouldn't gay people be allowed to be as miserable as all of the str8 married couples out there. :)
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With close to 50% of all marriages now ending in divorce, marriage is becoming a hopeless institution.
-Your Mother |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Your Mother
Not just the south man... I heard a quote on TV that around 40% of all Americans consider themselves evangelical (born again Christian). Bush won the election cause he had all those votes behind him.
-Your Mother |
goddamn that's scary. Religion needs to be eradicated...all forms of it across the world. It would be so much more peaceful. |
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| Your Mother |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
um, no...that is *completely* off the mark...
why do so many people bring up the Church in this debate? The Church is IRRELEVANT in the issue of gay marriage.
1. Most gays probably don't give a if the Church recognizes their marriage...what matters is that the state recognizes it.
2. Since when did Churches have a monopoly on marriage? Last time I checked, you can have a civil marriage outside of the Church :rolleyes:
3. Since Church and state is separate here, how about not bringing up the Church when talking about this issue that mainly is concerned with legal rights and obligations and equal recognition under the law. |
I agree with your points, and the Church should be exluded from this entire debate, unfortunately, it never is. The religious beliefs of law-makers should never be used on either side of the argument.
-Your Mother |
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| Your Mother |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
goddamn that's scary. Religion needs to be eradicated...all forms of it across the world. It would be so much more peaceful. |
In many ways I agree...
I think the original meanings and teachings of most religions have become skewed from their original intentions. All it takes is a few fanatics to change the message, and all hell breaks loose. Religion has been the cause of so many wars its not even funny.
-Your Mother |
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| Dmatrox |
| whats ironic about the title of this is thread is that you could replace "liberal" with "conservative" and it would still make sense. |
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