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France's tainted victory (pg. 6)
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| evil_bastard |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubby
However you view the rules, david james should have been sent off for his foul. Not only was he last man, it was a very poor challenge. and then england would have been forced to select a goalkeeper capable of catching. |
Both challenges were red card offences, there's no doubt about that.
Silvestre has said himself he was surprised when he only got a yellow card and said he assumes the referees have been given instructions to be more lenient.
The referee didn't lose us the game, England self-destructed (French fans can't seem to accept this, even though they won), but he certainly impacted on its result. |
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| razmataz |
Fact: both France and England played a crap game.
The difference was England gave the game away with a needless foul, backpass and a missed penalty. They somehow managed to, as the saying goes, snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...
It says a lot about the game when all the goals and clear chances were from dead-ball situations...
I enjoyed it personally, lots of drama, tension and an ending to boot... |
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| Shito |
| quote: | Originally posted by TiestoFanMatt
Because Heskey was the man who fouled him and he should not be at Euro 2004!!!!:whip: :whip: :whip: :whip:
Heskey is a donkey!!! eyor eyor!!! |
Anyway he's been chosen, so 2 possibilities:
- you don't have any best player than this donkey at this place...
- your coach is an idiot.
The fact is that most of the posts I've read here or there are complaints and tries to find any excuse to explain this or that. We dominated all the match, we had a lot of problems with your excellent compact defence which blocked our numerous attacks, you scored a nice goal and succeeded in keeping the result for 90mn. The referee has nothing to do in Zidane's free kick, as Silvestre didn't help during the action, and as his expulsion wouldn't have changed anything to the motivation of our attacks. And our penalty was as fair as Beckham's one.
We have been able to keep a strong mind during all the game, and a bit of luck, which is a component of most sports. So I understand you're disappointed, but you should be fair play and not try to kick our team like most of you do. Take example on guys like Ian^ or Coup who have been perfectly fair-play after the results, despite their disappointment. And don't forget: that's just football, that doesn't deserve personal insults. |
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| France |
| quote: | Originally posted by o
Anyway he's been chosen, so 2 possibilities:
- you don't have any best player than this donkey at this place...
- your coach is an idiot.
The fact is that most of the posts I've read here or there are complaints and tries to find any excuse to explain this or that. We dominated all the match, we had a lot of problems with your excellent compact defence which blocked our numerous attacks, you scored a nice goal and succeeded in keeping the result for 90mn. The referee has nothing to do in Zidane's free kick, as Silvestre didn't help during the action, and as his expulsion wouldn't have changed anything to the motivation of our attacks. And our penalty was as fair as Beckham's one.
We have been able to keep a strong mind during all the game, and a bit of luck, which is a component of most sports. So I understand you're disappointed, but you should be fair play and not try to kick our team like most of you do. Take example on guys like Ian^ or Coup who have been perfectly fair-play after the results, despite their disappointment. And don't forget: that's just football, that doesn't deserve personal insults. |
second that. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally stated by Sven Goran Eriksson
We played extremely well against the world's best football team. |
In what sense is this match related to the 2002 World Cup quarterfinals in which Brazil defeated England (2:1), apart from the score? :conf:
That's the last match England played against the world's best football team (Brazil: 5 World Cups - including the last one). France's got Europe's best squad and it can be compared to Brazil's team, but that quote is a wee bit exagerated (sp?). Based on what did he say it? (Regional titles don't count)
This discussion is fun though... reminds me of our neighbours (poor Argentinians, tsk, tsk, tsk :D). |
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| sleepydragon |
why r u looking to blame over people for england screwing up the match
1\ France played better in the second half
2\ Beckham missed a penalty
3\ Heskey gave away a stupid free kick to let france score
4\ david james had poor positioning for the free kick
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5\ gerrard totally screwed up to hand france a penalty
so stop trying to blame other people like the ref england screwed up big time and thats final |
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| Provitex |
Eat your ing loss and stop crying about it.
and yes I hate the english team they're a bunch of malicious 'wankers'
same goes to the supporters. EAT IT! +2 FOR ZIDANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: |
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| evil_bastard |
I began this thread to highlight my displeasure at a crucial turning point of a heated and controversial game of football. Nobody has laid blame solely at the referee, many factors contributed to the final result but I saw the penalty incident as the most crucial and controversial in the game, the turning point and therefore worth discussing on a sports discussion forum. It seems some people have completely missed the point and taken the opportunity to resort to insults before telling others to behave graciously in defeat, which is pretty hypocritical.
I don't believe France won the game, rather I believe England lost it, if you get what I mean. We self-destructed in spectacular style. I find it ironic that some French people are calling on us to "accept defeat", to be gracious and respectful of our opponents, yet fail to do the same! Perhaps England fans wouldn't behave so hostile if they weren't faced with such pathetic hypocrisy and pretentiousness. As I stated in my first post, I'm not overly concerned with who 'deserved' the win, England and France on the day were two very evenly matched teams who struggled to break each other down. Some of the French gloat of how their side "completely dominated" the game, and insist English people "accept" this was the case. Well I'm sorry to piss on your bonfire but England gave a very good account of themselves limiting France to just one chance in 90 minutes of open play and I will discuss the nature of our defeats just like I discuss our victories. You can call that "crying", "whinging", "excuses", call it what you want, I've come here to discuss the game not hide under pretentious bull and chivalry. |
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| r e z |
/me gives the english a spliff.... smoke it up buddy, a loss is a loss
(harmless joke :D :D ) |
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| evil_bastard |
| quote: | Originally posted by r e z
/me gives the english a spliff.... smoke it up buddy, a loss is a loss
(harmless joke :D :D ) |
I expect the dealers in Portugal are doing good business ;) |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by PEZ68
tell me why our first goal is pure luck... |
luck because Heskey was stupid enough to make an aggressive challenge from behind. You got a call from the ref, the French players didn't break through the English defence. As I said, as much as it pains me, the English players COLLAPSED and lost the game for themselves. |
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| Nautilus |
England got owned!
Merci Zizou, vive la France !
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