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Sasha no longer using vinyl? (pg. 3)
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| dark_tenshi |
| quote: | Originally posted by hooj1
Who the f*@# cares what they mix on. They have already proven them selfs on the decks. Beat matching on there level comes second nature, its the mixing and track selection that makes a set good. I'll put it this way, staying on your two turntables and two channel mixer are not going to get you anywere, its been done a million times over. And do you really think big DJs just rely on TT's when they make a CD...WRONG. Its all protools now. Why you might ask? Because the fans don't care about the music as much as they care about a perfect mix. And how can you call these guys losers when you can't even compair to these guys. Lame |
These were my exact thoughts when I was driving home thinking about how Sasha and other DJs are really going digital.
Also, electronic music itself is made on computers, so what's wrong with artists playing them from a computer? |
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| Prodigy Child |
Man, it really does scare we with the way DJin seems to be heading, being all digital and being able to download the latest stuff, its just going to ruin things, I say stick to vinyl with some CDJin now and then, I want a CDJ, but mainly for using various sounds a clips, plus remixes of tracks that ain't on vinyl or cd.
Dam can't believe how many people use Ableton Live, my brother gave it to me cos he didn't need it anymore, maybe I should give it more of a try. |
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| montie |
i think it scares people because its change
and i think it especially scares people who DJ on vinyl because vinyl is getting obsolete
what it all comes down to in the end is how the music coming out of the speakers at the club sounds.
abeleton live gives the DJ so much more control. they can play and mix songs just as if they were on the tables and they also can add lots of new sounds they have in their library creating a whole new dynamic to everything. it gives them so much more control and makes a DJ's performance so much more unique.
i heard Phil K talk about the evolving tools of the DJ once and one of the things he mentioned was how ironic it was that people in the electronic music scene seem to think of themselves ahead of the music pack because electronic music does alot more with music than the traditional realm, but yet we are still using vinyl and just mixing from song to song. |
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| minneec |
| I think Sasha will prob use a DJ version of Abelton Live, which supposedly he used quite a lot for Involver. And from the reviews, everyone seemed to like the sounds he brought forward there. Basically it allows him to shift everything around and make remixes on the spot and for a DJ set, this ought to be big. As for CD's versus vinyls, for NYE, he used loads of CDs as well as vinyls. I read he makes semi remixes of songs on the plane on his computer. And seriously being able to hear those rather than the same old song means a lot more than just seeing him use vinyl because of tradition. |
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| chandler |
First of all, its INEVITABLE, technology is the heart of electronic music, and with the new technologies DJing hast to evolve and adapt.
I find the usual deck-only mixing quite boring, digital mixing brings new tricks to the act, makes it more interesting.
It's technology and change what makes electronic music alive and what makes it more interesting than any other type of music. |
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| svens_bath |
| fair enough people like sasha using this Abelton live thing which from what i understand, beatmatches for you:conf: ..but for the newer generation, perhaps it makes it too easy...beatmatching and generally being able to hold a mix, is part of the art of djing, and things that automate this, do take the shine off seeing somebody dj that way. |
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| UWM |
| Unfortunately had to miss Sasha's gig here last night, but I guess he's started doing Abelton already and the gig / vibe were very good. |
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| nrjizer |
| quote: | Originally posted by isoterra
That's the thing I'm worried about if CDs catch on too much... the industry may suffer from it. Sure, people download stuff as it is, but not as an alternative to buying the vinyl... if they want the tune on vinyl then they'll buy it, regardless of whether it's available for free as an mp3, since they're effectively paying for the medium to mix the tune with, rather than the music itself. It's what's keeping the dance music industry alive since it just isn't cost effective to have downloaded tunes pressed onto vinyl.
With CDJing however... that all changes. If vinyl went out of fashion and labels started releasing CDs... other than moral satisfaction, what would there be to encourage people to buy them as opposed to downloading them & burning them to CD? |
The people still buying vinyl these days though are probably people who are either
a) serious DJ's, for whom mp3 quality simply will not cut it @ gigs or,
b) people who buy vinyl because they like/play obscure tracks that you probably won't find ripped for download
Now, if kids in their bedroom want to download and mix mp3's thats fine. They've been doing it for years with CDJ-100's and Traktor and everything else. It's nothing new. If we did go 100% CD tomorrow, the enthusiasts would still require full quality, and there would still be plenty of good, unheard of tracks that you can't find online. Yes, it WOULD be come possible to download the full quality track online, but who the hell wants to download 100mb wav files all the time?
If anything, I think we'd see more music purchases if we all went CD tomorrow, instead of less. CD's at $1.50 a track are a lot easier on the wallet than $10 for a record. I already spend practically every cent I earn on records, so if I was rocking a CD setup tomorrow I'd be buying 10x as much music. |
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| chandler |
| quote: | | Originally posted by svens_bath ...but for the newer generation, perhaps it makes it too easy...beatmatching and generally being able to hold a mix, is part of the art of djing, and things that automate this, do take the shine off seeing somebody dj that way. |
There's a similar issue on Formula 1 racing, old school pilots complain that driving a F1 car today is quite easy because of all the driving aids: Automatic gearboxes, traction control, etc.
But for the new generations is perfectly acceptable that technology takes over some tasks that can be done by a machine, so that the person can concentrate on the other tasks.
Uhmmm .. how did I get from Sasha to Formula 1 ?? Maybe I should get back to work !! :p |
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| solidi |
I find it very ironic that we still use vinyls for the purest sound output but encode and pack the original cuts straight into a digital format ;)
...even though the original thrill of the physical vinyl.. I find it very heart warming seeing a dj who is comfortable behind equipment and computers that he or she actual produces music with in a live performance. Personally I think having a large crowd, a high performance computer, lcds and sampling machines infront is rather arousing ;) |
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| flavdave |
| I think the best bet would be for big DJ's to use a mix of equipment: vinyl, cd's, and laptop software. I think vinyl will be here for a while longer. But if you guys disagree then give me your records for cheap. :toothless CD's and laptops will allow people to play the most upfront tracks and remixes. But it would be a shame for a DJ to be performing and in the middle of the performance the software screws up or the computer freezes. Then they can then dig in their record box or CD cases in an instant to save the performance. |
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| Psiweaver |
| Ya i think it will be a combination for a while. Vinyl still has the quality over cds theres a reason all the audiophiles go for it. |
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