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Scientists teleport atom for first time (pg. 2)
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| Read about this this morning; very interesting. |
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| Flyboy217 |
| quote: | Originally posted by twisted420
hey would that mean your still you though? i mean would you still think the same way? would you still be who you are if you teleported? because if your a clone your mind would be cloned to, but your personality can't. in a way its like cloning a soul. would your personality have to start over? thats in mind boggling |
Not at all. The whole point of quantum mechanical teleportation is that the replica is physically the same. In essence, it is no different from walking from one spot to another. If one accepts a material reductionist view of the mind, then there can be precisely NO way of differentiating the "clone" (in quotes because it's meaningless) from "you." |
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| twisted420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flyboy217
Not at all. The whole point of quantum mechanical teleportation is that the replica is physically the same. In essence, it is no different from walking from one spot to another. If one accepts a material reductionist view of the mind, then there can be precisely NO way of differentiating the "clone" (in quotes because it's meaningless) from "you." |
yeah, ill believe that |
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| Flyboy217 |
| quote: | Originally posted by BTG
see, thats why i'm never going into one of those teleporters (when they become a method of travel) cause really, you die when you go in, and you have a clone (exactly the same) but its still not you. you die. that sucks. |
This is an excellent philosophical question.
Rephrase it this way: Suppose you were told that there was a 100% chance of success of getting through the teleporter safely. And suppose, as before, that you accepted a material reductionist view of the mind-- that is, that the mind is nothing but the byproduct of the brain's neurochemistry. Would you go through? This is very hard to answer "no" to, because of the implications... namely, that teleportation is identical to, say, walking.
However, consider it another way: Suppose you walked into the first machine, then remote machine created a copy of you, and then the first copy was destroyed in some harmless fashion. No problem, right? But suppose the first machine accidentally didn't destroy your atoms. You would be alive and well in the first machine and the second. Then suppose the first machine realizes its mistake, and decides to slaughter you. Now "you" are dead. Where's the rub?
The magic is in the details. Philosophically, this sounds perplexing and paradoxical... you would like to go through because there's no difference from walking, but the second argument shows that the copy is in some way not "you." So now what's the problem? It's in what's called the "no cloning theorem," which states that a quantum state CANNOT be replicated exactly while preserving the original. That is to say, the teleporter simply must destroy the original and create the "clone" simultaneously (atom by atom, that is). The problem is getting all the atoms to go at the same time.
Spooky, ain't it? |
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| Sean Walsh |
| Some pretty sweet stuff to think about. |
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| davinox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flyboy217
This is an excellent philosophical question.
Rephrase it this way: Suppose you were told that there was a 100% chance of success of getting through the teleporter safely. And suppose, as before, that you accepted a material reductionist view of the mind-- that is, that the mind is nothing but the byproduct of the brain's neurochemistry. Would you go through? This is very hard to answer "no" to, because of the implications... namely, that teleportation is identical to, say, walking.
However, consider it another way: Suppose you walked into the first machine, then remote machine created a copy of you, and then the first copy was destroyed in some harmless fashion. No problem, right? But suppose the first machine accidentally didn't destroy your atoms. You would be alive and well in the first machine and the second. Then suppose the first machine realizes its mistake, and decides to slaughter you. Now "you" are dead. Where's the rub?
The magic is in the details. Philosophically, this sounds perplexing and paradoxical... you would like to go through because there's no difference from walking, but the second argument shows that the copy is in some way not "you." So now what's the problem? It's in what's called the "no cloning theorem," which states that a quantum state CANNOT be replicated exactly while preserving the original. That is to say, the teleporter simply must destroy the original and create the "clone" simultaneously (atom by atom, that is). The problem is getting all the atoms to go at the same time.
Spooky, ain't it? |
i see what you mean.
another example: say you go under a coma and while you are under, they download the exact molecular structure your brain. Like they made an exact replica, but they put it on a machine. Now someone wakes the of two you up, you and the machine, and which is "you"? Do you have the ability to share your conciousness?
Consciousness (our exprience) is all we have. |
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| diffusion |
Yes, I read that article. They managed to teleport a quantum attribute
of one atom to another. Like the article says, this is the first step.
future is now |
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| Vigilante |
hahaha we did this exact same thing in philosophy last year.
Too bad i can't remember a single thing about it. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| We get entirely new cells in our bodies every elecven years or so, so that's not too different than getting new molecules when you teleport. |
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| cistane |
| Well, whatever the case may be...I'm sure the military can find an evil use for this technology like every other technology they have corrupted |
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| nic01445 |
| quote: | Originally posted by cistane
Well, whatever the case may be...I'm sure the military can find an evil use for this technology like every other technology they have corrupted |
Don't worry, it isn't evil if it's American. |
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| u4ea:[soulstar] |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flyboy217
Quantum teleportation sounds less magical when people understand how it works, but in actuality it's just as stunning. Essentially, the exact characteristics of one particle are transferred to another particle some distance away, "destroying" the characterstics of the original particle.
One might say that the particle didnt "REALLY" move, just its properties did; however, in quantum mechanics, two particles are identical (that is, the same) if they have the same properties. |
there have been theories already indirectly explaining teleportation. its called holographic theory (bohm) where the atoms are blinking in and out of 3D space at faster than light speed (instantenous teleportation).
the particles don't have to be the same with this theory I gather.
destruction is more about quantum transmutation or emergence.
[b]However, consider it another way: Suppose you walked into the first machine, then remote machine created a copy of you, and then the first copy was destroyed in some harmless fashion. No problem, right? But suppose the first machine accidentally didn't destroy your atoms. You would be alive and well in the first machine and the second. Then suppose the first machine realizes its mistake, and decides to slaughter you. Now "you" are dead. Where's the rub?
The magic is in the details. Philosophically, this sounds perplexing and paradoxical... you would like to go through because there's no difference from walking, but the second argument shows that the copy is in some way not "you." So now what's the problem? It's in what's called the "no cloning theorem," which states that a quantum state CANNOT be replicated exactly while preserving the original. That is to say, the teleporter simply must destroy the original and create the "clone" simultaneously (atom by atom, that is). The problem is getting all the atoms to go at the same time.
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the greater implication of this is that you're changing a 3D living object into 1D or *smeep* near-0D. death may not be the end result. rather, the object is stucked (or stasis) in limbo somehwere in a hypersphere (embedded 4D in a 3D universe, H-H model in quantum cosmology) or is in another dimension. basically meaning the object is dimensionless and lost somewhere in 3D space for the former.
the idea of building a teleport container that keeps a human in full 3D quantum coherence (permanent space bubble)is safer than demoleculization. teleportation can be done by opening a gate in the nodes network (loop quantum gravity theory) of space (its not empty but a medium as loose meaning), input coordinates in the qubit navcomp for gateway point a and b, and initiate hypersphere jump with the use of pre-jump step**. Poof! out comes the container at gp b, with living object molecularly intact. :D
** = container tossed into the gate at a certain velocity with a certain kinetic force contacting the gate
another idea in LQG theory is the network has a property of plasticity as tensors. nodes always spin. so node a is connected to node b. node a turns in a direction that pulls node b closer until space folds together between those two points. the danger i gather is the *transported* object can be crushed into the size of an atom if there is no adequate shielding.
i'm nutz
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