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Captors behead U.S. hostage Johnson (pg. 2)
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
I wonder if it actually BOTHERS GW or does it just roll off his prickled back and shrugs it off?
I for one couldnt have it on my head that I was responsible (when it really comes down to it) for 2 americans being beheaded. That's not very good publicity for the Bush campaign.
Next we'll see slogans with Reagans' casket and two beheaded body's and the caption saying something rediculous because "I APPROVE OF THIS MESSAGE" or whatever the idiot does.
I am so embarrassed for my own country sometimes. |
First of all, Nick Berg and Paul Johnson were civilian subcontractors. Dubya didn't send them over there, and they probably knew full well the risks involved, but thought that the opportunity was worth the risk.
Furthermore, I am sure that Bush, his administration, and anybody else with a concious and a moral compass is deeply disturbed and saddened by their deaths.
It's funny to watch a president's hair turn grey while they're in office. For a while I thought Clinton was dying his hair, but to look at what a president has to deal with on a daily basis it's no wonder they go grey so quickly.
Well, Bush came on while I was writing this and I can say he is pissed. Obviously these events are disturbing to him. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
Next we'll see slogans with Reagans' casket and two beheaded body's and the caption saying something rediculous because "I APPROVE OF THIS MESSAGE" or whatever the idiot does. |
Both Bush and Kerry use that line in all of their commercials. I've noticed it too. I think it must be some sort of political disclaimer that they're required to add to their commercials. Or maybe it's something they do to let the public know it's an official commercial sponsored by the candidate and not some other group putting on a commercial with their own funds. I'd like to see Kerry use the "APPROVE" disclaimer on a moveon.org ad. Somehow I don't think I should hold my breath. |
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Furthermore, I am sure that Bush, his administration, and anybody else with a concious and a moral compass is deeply disturbed and saddened by their deaths.
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I think that is a lot of ASSUME 'ing |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
I wish the heads that were rolling would be in the White House and Pentagon instead of innocent civilians who are paying the price for bush's mistakes. |
your so diluted.
you can't see past your own nose. |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
I think that is a lot of ASSUME 'ing |
an innocent civilian working in saudia was brutally executed, i dont think its a lot to assume that anyone, including bush, would be disturbed by it. |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
It's not even religion. The top Saudi clerics openly stated that those who murdered innocent hostages such as Johnson would NOT get into heaven. This has absolutely nothing to do with religion or Iraq or Bush. THe goal of Al-Qaeda is quite clear. If they drive out all foreigners from Saudi Arabia the monarchy will crumble. The monarchy NEEDS foreign workers and they need foreign investment. Without them, their position destabilizes which creates a power vacuum that Al-Qaeda can fill. Therefore, they don't give two s whether religious clerics condemn the murder. I would go so far to say that they didn't want the Saudis to cooperate and release prisoners. |
I certainly realize the deeper parameters of such actions Occ, of course it is not religion exclusively. Where the problem begins however is in a Saudi society that teaches that non-Muslims and those deemed to be infidels are essentially not entitled to any rights, can you imagine if we started picking off Muslims here in America one by one with a shotgun blast, it would not happen, but the reality is that Saudi society and the religous teachings make people believe within Saudi Arabia that it is while not admittedly acceptable, there is an indifference and even well it doesn't affect me attitude about the murdering of foreigners. Poverty, lack of freedoms, corruption, all are factors that affect Saudi society today. Religion however so intertwined into that society gives a justification to look outward at others and even kill them because they are different and it is taught that it is okay to look down on them. |
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
I certainly realize the deeper parameters of such actions Occ, of course it is not religion exclusively. Where the problem begins however is in a Saudi society that teaches that non-Muslims and those deemed to be infidels are essentially not entitled to any rights, can you imagine if we started picking off Muslims here in America one by one with a shotgun blast. It would not happen, but the reality is that Saudi society and the religous teachings make people believe within Saudi Arabia that it is while not admittedly acceptable, there is an indifference and even well it doesn't affect me attitude. Poverty, lack of freedoms, corruption, all are factors that affect Saudi society today. Religion however so intertwined into that society gives a justification to look outward at others and even kill them because they are different and it is taught that it is okay to look down on them. |
Basically an Introverted Society with bombs and guns. That's always good. :rolleyes: |
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| igottaknow |
| It's interesting the terrorist use the same form of execution as the our friends, the Saudi Government, I wonder if we invaded the wrong country. hmmmm... |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
Basically an Introverted Society with bombs and guns. That's always good. :rolleyes: |
if it werent for WMD's and international terror plots i would be tempted to allow them to do as they wish and let them have their "dark ages" so that they could eventually come upon a renassiance of their own and see the errors of their way. |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
It's interesting the terrorist use the same form of execution as the our friends, the Saudi Government, I wonder if we invaded the wrong country. hmmmm... |
Haha, I didn't even realize that however unlike the U.S. government who may consider them friends, I look upon them with contempt, indignation, callousness and a sense of zero trust in such people. Saudi Arabia is no friend of mine and I feel many Americans share those feelings. |
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| DjSway |
| What a wonderful world we live in! You can scratch off Middle east and Muslim nations from my travel spots. :mad: |
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
if it werent for WMD's and international terror plots i would be tempted to allow them to do as they wish and let them have their "dark ages" so that they could eventually come upon a renassiance of their own and see the errors of their way. |
Maybe they should learn to crawl before they walk.
Do we have 100 years to spare for them?
Let's send Martha Stewart over there for some ethics training.
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