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can israel survive without the draft?
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| Psy-T |
can it survive without the mandatory draft that me and the rest of israel have to go through?
opinions please. |
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| Flotser |
the question is weird :p
Israel sure can survive without the draft. please explain more why you think otherwise.
however the draft will 100% happen in not far future, because there is already kind of a consensus in the Israeli public that we should leave Gaza. so if Sharon won't succeed, than in next elections israeli will vote for someone who will do it.
i still dont realy know if its for the best but thats the case.
(next elections i vote too w00t :crazy:, i want the guy in my sig :p)
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
please explain more why you think otherwise.
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im not thinking otherwise, i just want to be enlightened about the subject, especially i wanna know why the hell do we still have to face the draft....
btw, im serving in the navy, manager of purchasing. |
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| Psy-T |
*bump*
still looking for an answer if anyone got one... |
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| TranceGiant |
| not too many israelis browse this are so don't expect too many answers. |
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| Yoepus |
the draft in Israel will be in place for a simple reason.
It is not to ensure manpower, but to ensure the best and brightest of the nation are made to serve it.
Without the draft you will get an army like every other. Not a miraculous one that can fend off better equiped, better financed, enemies with superior numbers as it has done so triumpantly in the past.
Imagine how the US military would look like if it could force the top 1% of every single university graduate into senior positions in the military for a couple years during their prime. You probably won't get debacles like Al Gharib. |
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| Psy-T |
thats a pretty good point yoepus,
but,, unfortunately (imo), we are not drafting only the top 1%....
we are drafting more then 40% of the people between 18-21...
so, can you provide a better analogy? |
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| Psy-T |
a blast from the past :p
wanna share some new (or old) views on the topic? |
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| St_Andrew |
Actually, my country has a "draft" too. Everyone at the age of 18 must do all the tests, and if they think you are good you have to be for one year in the militairy, or longer if you want to and the militairy wants you.
I think only like 25% of the ppl have to do it here tho, and it's rather easy to get away with some lame excuse... I told them I once got frost-bitten in my toes (so they couldn't put me anywhere cold, eliminates 90% of everything in this country), I also did pretty on the strength test (I'm not a strong man), and I did awesome on the intelligence (no suprise there.. hahahaha)... so they told me I was too smart for the militairy :p So right now I'm in the "officers reserve", so if sweden get involved in a war, I will have to do that...
I guess for Israel it makes sense tho, you need a militairy, Sweden doesn't. And a draft really ensures that you get the best! |
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| Yoepus |
another point aside from the one I made a long time agos is that a draft does too things for Israel:
1) Integrates other immigrants and unifies Israeli society.
2) Provides a vast reserve of manpower incase a suprise attack.
In this regard Israel can mobilize 2.5 million people to defend the nation if needed http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...s.html#Military) although its standing army is much smaller.
I believe those numbers are comparable to the US military deployment across the world with there current reserves!
The USA however can institute a draft and deploy millions more if needed if it finds itself in a large scale war (WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq, etc)
. If Israel is fighting a war it does not have the luxury of years or months to train millions. Its wars are settled in a matter of weeks if not days. |
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| occrider |
| Yes. Who's going to attack it? Egypt? Syria? Jordan? What, are the Arabs going to embrace retro fashion and resurrect the Arab League? Can any of those countries even compete with the technology of the IMI? Wars are no longer about manpower. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Yes. Who's going to attack it? Egypt? Syria? Jordan? What, are the Arabs going to embrace retro fashion and resurrect the Arab League? Can any of those countries even compete with the technology of the IMI? Wars are no longer about manpower. |
The reason for this is very likely the realization that Israel's military coupled with its manpower no longer allow for such a traditionalist victory (which was thought possible till quiet recently).
This detterent is a very real reason why we can't see Egypt, Syria, Saudia, etc, attacking Israel and is in a sense a force for peace.
Of course my above argument still affords Israel with the ability to shorten the draft period (from 3 years for boys, 2 years for girls).
Another note is that Israel as a nation of Jews and holocaust survivors feels it part of its ethos that every Jew must learn how to fight and defend for themselves; adding to inseperability of the draft from Israeli society.
oh and Occrider I thought you and your other "liberal" friends were the ones whinning about how not enough manpower was sent to Iraq, how the traditionalist who wanted to send half a million troops had it right and how the new technocratic leadership had it wrong etc... or was that just Opus?:conf: |
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