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R.i.p. Paul Johnson (pg. 4)
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| sandstorm03 |
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In fact or to all purposes
The confusion demonstrates that in many situations soldiers and civilian contractors have become to all purposes indistinguishable -- and interchangeable -- in postwar Iraq.
Private contractors have long served alongside soldiers in wars, but their duties used to be relatively mundane: cooking, supporting technology systems, transporting supplies. There has been a significant shift in recent years, however, in the duties the Pentagon has entrusted to contractors. Companies are now taking more responsibility for some of the military's most sensitive jobs -- providing technical trainers, security protection details, linguistics experts, and "intelligence services," a catchall term that includes everything involved in the gathering and analysis of data.
Fairfax's SRA International Inc., for example, provides scientists to help investigate biological and chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein's regime might have developed. Arlington's CACI International Inc. has a one-year contract to provide prison interrogators. San Diego's Titan Corp. -- Drobnick's employer -- supplies interpreters who are inseparable from soldiers who go out into Iraqi communities in their Humvees.
Pentagon officials have said using contractors saves money, allows the military to tap the private sector for skills it lacks and forces it to concentrate on its core mission of protecting the country. But the independence with which contractors operate is heightening concerns that the line between the military and its contractors has become too blurry and whether the military become too dependent on contractors it can't properly control.
Of particular concern to Congress has been where -- or if -- contractors fall in the military chain of command.
In a report summarizing an Army investigation into what happened at Abu Ghraib, Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba concluded that a contractor for CACI International may have allowed or instructed soldiers to abuse prisoners. One translator for Titan Corp. was admonished for providing false statements to investigators and another was named as a suspect and witness. The military employs 27 CACI interrogators and hundreds of Titan translators in Iraq, according to congressional testimony by Lt. Gen. Lance L. Smith, deputy command of Central Command.
Four contract interrogators, six contract screeners -- who decide the level of "intelligence value" detainees might have -- and numerous contract translators were stationed at Abu Ghraib.
Contractors typically have no formal authority to manage military personnel and many consider themselves partners or advisers. In practice, however, soldiers say contractors may exert tremendous influence on the rank and file because of their technical expertise and because they are often brought in to work with high-level military officials. Their presence, some argue, has complicated what used to be a clear chain of command. Military contracts lay out the limits of contractors' duties and responsibilities in clear terms, officials say, but in the field their roles often change depending on their backgrounds and their relationships with soldiers.
your right contractors are 100% innocent. |
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| trancEyes22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
vir·tu·al·ly
In fact or to all purposes
The confusion demonstrates that in many situations soldiers and civilian contractors have become to all purposes indistinguishable -- and interchangeable -- in postwar Iraq.
Private contractors have long served alongside soldiers in wars, but their duties used to be relatively mundane: cooking, supporting technology systems, transporting supplies. There has been a significant shift in recent years, however, in the duties the Pentagon has entrusted to contractors. Companies are now taking more responsibility for some of the military's most sensitive jobs -- providing technical trainers, security protection details, linguistics experts, and "intelligence services," a catchall term that includes everything involved in the gathering and analysis of data.
Fairfax's SRA International Inc., for example, provides scientists to help investigate biological and chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein's regime might have developed. Arlington's CACI International Inc. has a one-year contract to provide prison interrogators. San Diego's Titan Corp. -- Drobnick's employer -- supplies interpreters who are inseparable from soldiers who go out into Iraqi communities in their Humvees.
Pentagon officials have said using contractors saves money, allows the military to tap the private sector for skills it lacks and forces it to concentrate on its core mission of protecting the country. But the independence with which contractors operate is heightening concerns that the line between the military and its contractors has become too blurry and whether the military become too dependent on contractors it can't properly control.
Of particular concern to Congress has been where -- or if -- contractors fall in the military chain of command.
In a report summarizing an Army investigation into what happened at Abu Ghraib, Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba concluded that a contractor for CACI International may have allowed or instructed soldiers to abuse prisoners. One translator for Titan Corp. was admonished for providing false statements to investigators and another was named as a suspect and witness. The military employs 27 CACI interrogators and hundreds of Titan translators in Iraq, according to congressional testimony by Lt. Gen. Lance L. Smith, deputy command of Central Command.
Four contract interrogators, six contract screeners -- who decide the level of "intelligence value" detainees might have -- and numerous contract translators were stationed at Abu Ghraib.
Contractors typically have no formal authority to manage military personnel and many consider themselves partners or advisers. In practice, however, soldiers say contractors may exert tremendous influence on the rank and file because of their technical expertise and because they are often brought in to work with high-level military officials. Their presence, some argue, has complicated what used to be a clear chain of command. Military contracts lay out the limits of contractors' duties and responsibilities in clear terms, officials say, but in the field their roles often change depending on their backgrounds and their relationships with soldiers.
your right contractors are 100% innocent. |
working FOR something does not mean you are a PART of something...i never said contractors didnt work for the military, but again, they ARE NOT U.S. SOLIDIERS
lee trust me on this. give up now. |
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| PVD_S11DJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
vir·tu·al·ly
In fact or to all purposes
The confusion demonstrates that in many situations soldiers and civilian contractors have become to all purposes indistinguishable -- and interchangeable -- in postwar Iraq.
Private contractors have long served alongside soldiers in wars, but their duties used to be relatively mundane: cooking, supporting technology systems, transporting supplies. There has been a significant shift in recent years, however, in the duties the Pentagon has entrusted to contractors. Companies are now taking more responsibility for some of the military's most sensitive jobs -- providing technical trainers, security protection details, linguistics experts, and "intelligence services," a catchall term that includes everything involved in the gathering and analysis of data.
Fairfax's SRA International Inc., for example, provides scientists to help investigate biological and chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein's regime might have developed. Arlington's CACI International Inc. has a one-year contract to provide prison interrogators. San Diego's Titan Corp. -- Drobnick's employer -- supplies interpreters who are inseparable from soldiers who go out into Iraqi communities in their Humvees.
Pentagon officials have said using contractors saves money, allows the military to tap the private sector for skills it lacks and forces it to concentrate on its core mission of protecting the country. But the independence with which contractors operate is heightening concerns that the line between the military and its contractors has become too blurry and whether the military become too dependent on contractors it can't properly control.
Of particular concern to Congress has been where -- or if -- contractors fall in the military chain of command.
In a report summarizing an Army investigation into what happened at Abu Ghraib, Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba concluded that a contractor for CACI International may have allowed or instructed soldiers to abuse prisoners. One translator for Titan Corp. was admonished for providing false statements to investigators and another was named as a suspect and witness. The military employs 27 CACI interrogators and hundreds of Titan translators in Iraq, according to congressional testimony by Lt. Gen. Lance L. Smith, deputy command of Central Command.
Four contract interrogators, six contract screeners -- who decide the level of "intelligence value" detainees might have -- and numerous contract translators were stationed at Abu Ghraib.
Contractors typically have no formal authority to manage military personnel and many consider themselves partners or advisers. In practice, however, soldiers say contractors may exert tremendous influence on the rank and file because of their technical expertise and because they are often brought in to work with high-level military officials. Their presence, some argue, has complicated what used to be a clear chain of command. Military contracts lay out the limits of contractors' duties and responsibilities in clear terms, officials say, but in the field their roles often change depending on their backgrounds and their relationships with soldiers.
your right contractors are 100% innocent. |
lee I didnt know you were such a good writer -im very impressed! |
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| trancEyes22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by PVD_S11DJ
lee I didnt know you were such a good writer -im very impressed! |
he didnt write that- look at the spelling. the words are actually spelled RIGHT :haha: |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | | working FOR something does not mean you are a PART of something...i never said contractors didnt work for the military, but again, they ARE NOT U.S. SOLIDIERS |
so do you believe them to be innocent civillians? |
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| PVD_S11DJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancEyes22
he didnt write that- look at the spelling. the words are actually spelled RIGHT :haha: |
;) i never would have guessed ;) |
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| PVD_S11DJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
so do you believe them to be innocent civillians? |
paul johnson and daniel berg were both innocent... |
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| DR86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by PVD_S11DJ
daniel berg |
sweet.
it's nick berg and daniel pearl. get it right. jeez... |
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| PVD_S11DJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by DR86
sweet.
it's nick berg and daniel pearl. get it right. jeez... |
ok, lets make it 3 then... nick berg, daniel pearl and paul johnson -- still all innocent |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | | ok, lets make it 3 then... nick berg, daniel pearl and paul johnson -- still all innocent |
if i was an arab, id take off your head to make u shut the hell up :D |
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| Miss Bliss |
| This thread is nothing but a in insult to the man's memory now. ffs that's enough... |
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| MezzicanTrancEr |
| quote: | Originally posted by PVD_S11DJ
lee I didnt know you were such a good writer -im very impressed! |
yeah no kidding! isn't plagarism illegal? hehe
but seriously - RIP to all three men. My prayers are with the other 10 people who are also being held captive, in addition to the Korean man we saw on TV today, :sadgreen:
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
if i was an arab, id take off your head to make u shut the hell up :D |
my mouth drops, u have no shame...sick. :mad: |
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