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| Akridrot |
Everytime a synth comes out to emulate one, there's always mixed reviews about how authentic or fake it sounds (Pro53 in mind).
Where can I can I hear an authentic analog synth sample out of the context of a song? Do any you have one, or know of a synth that is almost the same as the original so I can check it out? |
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| CandyRaver666 |
Ah, the stupidy of youth. If I had known better, I would have spent my andromeda dollars on this :
http://www.studioelectronics.com/products_omega8.php
Studioelectronics make true analog synths. Analog wave generators, analog filters. The beauty of having an infinite sample rate and sweep rate.
Having used this beast on several occasions, it does sadly put my kC and Andromeda to shame in the sound department at least. Convenience wise, digital gear has got it where it matters.
If I sold my Andromeda, I'd seriously consider getting one. I'd route the analog outs into my V-synth for whenever I wanted digital filters (that's the equivalent of the Andromeda).
(EDIT : don't know why you'd really want to do that - analogue filters are so special sounding when swept) |
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| moog_baby |
| what about getting some hardware filters plugged into the mixer to filter soft synths and the like...soft synth filters are cack generally I find.. |
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| CandyRaver666 |
Taken from my post in BelgianGuru's V-synth post
Original thread : http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/s...threadid=189222
... Futhermore, I love routing other synths through my v-synth. I routinely route my kC and Spectrasonics Atmosphere through the v-synth for some wow effects ...
... To answer your question about routing, yes, you can route your V-station through to the V-synth, but garbage in=garbage out so you need to have good hardware linking the two.
To do this, your sound card needs two separate stereo output channels (or use two sound cards).
One channel will be used as your master out (to your monitors).
The second channel will be used to send the VST output to your V-synth.
This is how I patch my VSTi's into my V-Synth
Cubase SX 1.06 running my chosen VST
Use my V-synth as the MIDI in controller to run the VST
Patch the output of the VST through my Yamaha 01X to a selected BUS. BUS faders are down, so this original raw sound doesn't come out in the mix. BUS Prefader levels are then sent to the V-synth (I use the 96KhZ digital in/out, but I have done it with TRS cables - both V-synth and 01X have 24bit AD/DA converters).
V-synth oscillator is set to external source. V-synth outputs are routed back to the 01X mixer as an input.
Now all VSTi's can take full advantage of all V-synth COSM/Filters/Effects. Furthermore, I can route the input back into the 01X's DSP box, dynamics and 4 band parametric EQs.
I can also simply sample the VSTi inputs to use as stand alone PCM oscillators...
There's also a mini-review of the 01X by me on that link too. |
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| mdulation |
studio electronics rocks man............i got an atc-1 with the minimoog filter catridge.
its good times |
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| CynepMeH |
I got 2 analogs and bunch of other VA's. My analogs are:
Roland Jupiter 8
Alesis A6 Andromeda
I will post some samples for you. One thing for sure - while my Jupiter 8 is over 20 years old, made before all the DSP's became available, it blows the socks off in terms of the thickness and deepness of the sounds. Some leads and strings are thin and cheesy but it does shine in pads, basses, and weird sounds. There's one patch on it that creates a wind noise - that's pure analog. I could not create one like it on Virus, even if I tried for days on end. The way you can force jupiter into self oscilation to create monitor-shattering sounds cannot be duplicated by any of the top VA's of the day.
I'm a firm believer... BTW, here's something to get you started:
http://www.alphazone1.com/jupiter8/samples.html
:D |
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| john909kid |
CynepMeH, do you find that the real analogs have more presence and sit better in a mix?
I have had various stuff over the years (Jupiter6, TB303, MC202) but sold them all years ago :(
The closest I have now to real analog apart from my VA's is my JD990 with analog expansion board...
It blows my Pro53 out of the water, and I'm toying with the idea of getting a real Prophet... |
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| Derosas |
| :eyes: :eyes: I just heard the samples for the Jupiter 8, I want one now! That pad with the filter sweep is so lush! :crazy: |
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| Etherium |
| Real analog can't be beat if you ask me. The bass coming out my Juno 106 could shatter my windows easily if I were bold enought to turn it up that loud. Analog can be a pain in the arse though and many people who go down the analog road wish they would have just stuck to convenient vstis and VAs (not always the case of course). |
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| CynepMeH |
Well... Let's just say that over the last few months I've been on a shopping spree for some analogs. Ever since I got the andromeda, I became addicted. Now I have the following analogs:
Roland TR-909
Roland TR-808
Roland TB-303
Roland Jupiter 8
Roland Jupiter 6
Alesis Andromeda A6
I haven't touched any of my VA's since I got the real deal. After spending the money on all those VA's, I had to shell out a pretty penny for TC Electronic FireworX and M-One XL but it was way worth it! :D
I must admit - I love my Virus KC and the rest of VA gear but I've been blown away by sheer monstrosity of the real analogs. The pads, leads, etc are just not possible to re-create with a VA. You can just feel the warmth... Or it could be the heat from those Jupe's heatsinks but I don't care :D
Anywho, now I need to focus on actually recording something and not spend all of the time playing with them.
Laterz... ;) |
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| Derosas |
CynepMeH, I hear that real Analogs require alot of maitenance. Have you had any problems with this?
Also- Any one know of a decent hardware TB-303 replica? The real thing is expen$ive as hell |
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| CynepMeH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derosas
CynepMeH, I hear that real Analogs require alot of maitenance. Have you had any problems with this?
Also- Any one know of a decent hardware TB-303 replica? The real thing is expen$ive as hell |
Knock on wood - so far so good. The only bitch with synths is you have to wait about 5-10 minutes for them to warm up, otherwise they'd sound out of tune. This does not apply to drum machines, only to keys.
As far as TB-303 emulations go, there's a Rebirth that has 303, 808, 909 and 707 VSTi's - 303 is actually pretty close and even includes a distortion module - which is kinda neat. The improvement in software version is it is fully midi-compliant. With something like Korg MicroKontrol you can actually tweak the buttons in real time.
here's something you might be interested in - Future Retro is going to be shipping "Revolution". Revolution is supposed to be a spot-on emulation of 303 and then some. The price will be $650 but it has more features than original 303, plus some extras that you'd normally have to shell out about $500 extra for. I'm on a waiting list for one - once it comes out if it's as good as Future Retro claims it is, I'll sell my 303. Actually, you'd probably see 303's dip in price too.
Check this out: http://www.future-retro.com/REVOLUTION.html
For TB-303 resources, visit this site (lots of broken links,though):
www.tb-303.org
Cheers!
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