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Wish to know why people disrespect Oakenfold nowadays (pg. 2)
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| Matt |
| quote: | Originally posted by PVD & T[]C
yeah just like Lucid said, i havent seen him play live yet (until summerfest tomorrow) and although, in my opinion starry eyed suprise sucks along with most of the bunkka CD i think it was kindof an experimentation album. I still have nothing but respect for him. You cant hate the legends even if they "experiment" with mainstream pop and fail. That just means they are meant to stick with what they are great at. |
if you ever use that font and colour again, I will remove your testicles with a spoon. |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
tiesto's mix of adagio for strings is ok :p
yeah i see that they're both very commercial, i just think that bunkka wasn't "a new trend in dance music".. at least not a good trend at all
forgot to say in the previous post that i still respect oakie though for all the good things that he did to the scene |
hmmm...well this is what i think...
oakie saw the fact that dance music had the chance to go mainstream so he tried it out in bunnka. it really didn't hit it big with his old fan base and so now everyone hates him.
tiesto and crew see the same trend, BUT they also saw what happened to oak after bunnka...and lets face it they are big, but they ain't on oaks level for commercial appeal so they were obviously more cautious when releasing their albums.
if bunnka had been more widely excepted among the large dance communities that have loved trance since the beginning...i'm sure we would have seen albums closer to the hip hop blend we saw with bunnka... |
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| osuracnaes |
Um... when I think mainstream dance music, I think Darude.
Sandstorm ALL t3h WAY!!!!1111 |
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| Evan Almae |
i thought Bunnka was a great album. If anyone would bother to read a factual bio on Oakey then they would understand his approach with this album. People believe that once someone is big at a certain thing, in this case a trance DJ with Oakey, they should be that forever. People get bored, and the real pro's take chances, risks, and go other directions.
On the topic of selling out, people really need to stop using that phrase. I've said this millions of times, DJ'ing/producing is a J O B. No one seams to grasp that. If anyone had the opportunity to make more money then they would. Its not selling out, its about being a smart business man. The Swordfish soundtrack was a pretty good soundtrack. It fit the movie very well. That's another thing people don't realise. It was a soundtrack, not an attempt at creating his own sound, he had guidelines to fit the movie, and IMO it was great.
Sure, if there was no Oakenfold, then there would be another and we would all look back at that DJ as being the forerunner of trance/EDM in general. What Paul does is genius. Has anyone even looked at the tracklist and really "listened" to Another World. Who in their right mind puts opera tracks in their mixes??? No one, but OAKEY. He did it, mastered it, and it was superb. I saw him in New Orleans in 2002 at Voodoo and there was no greater set and he incorporated some opera, it was pure genius. No DJ in this world today takes the risks and directional changes that Oakey does.
Sure not everyone is going to like everything he does, but it boils down to respect. He's here, always has been, and always will be. No one will forget the name Oakenfold because he has left a legacy of great sets and great music. When Bunnka 2 comes out, its sure to turns people's heads. Then everyone will like Oakey again.
That brings me to another point. There goes a saying in baseball:
"A fan always remembers a player's last at bat."
Same goes with A DJ. I any DJ for this matter comes to your town and throws down a terrible set, he is remembered for that, until he comes back and throws down a superb set in which "the fan" will love him again. People need to be true to themselves and love them for what they've done and what they will do. No DJ is great everytime, so don't hate on them just cause they had a bad outing once in a while.
Ok, enough with my rambling. Those were my well thought out thoughts.
-Steve:D |
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| MiracleTK |
I Love him and I think that he is great.. not that he has not disapointed me... I like the older Oakenfold.... It was def TRANCE... and he is def still an artist because he writes music.
When I went to see Oakenfold at Ultra he was right after Tiesto so it was like....oh my god... what just happened... his sound was just so different from what we had heard while liesting to Pete Tong, Junkie XL and then Tiesto .... it was bad... but the year before that 2003, Oakenfold was so playing a lot of dream like Trance and he was what I always thought he would be....
Then at Space for WMC... I loved him again and I was happy that he was one of the DJ's I had chosen out of my three nights... {PVD, Tiesto & then Oakie} He was awesome... his sound was a little different but he was great... and its good to hear something a little different, he played his original Southern Sun, Skydive, Flesh and Benni Bennassi, "Love is gonna save us" and a few other songs.
The club was not packed like it had been for PVD or Tiesto but it was def a die hard Trance crowd and he threw down a lot of old tracks for us.
What I do not like is that Oakenfold Was Trance and then he started to spin music that was like hip hop inspired and on his website he was talking about how hip hop was one of his first loves and I was so turned off by that... Because personally I am def a "TRANCEADDICT" and I do not listen to hip hop... and he would start throwing down hip hop beats with Trance and I was like "what is this" and instantly my body would Stop moving.
I will always love Oakenfold and I would def go see him but he is spinning at Avalon in NY and I do not like that club., His REsident CD is still to me one of the best CD's ever ...any Trance fan has to have Tranceport in their collection as a staple.. so Oakenfold has already made a huge impact to Trance. |
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| Breeze |
| they disrespect coz they munch on cock... they can only dream of what he has achieved. |
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| blazed it |
| quote: | Originally posted by MiracleTK
What I do not like is that Oakenfold Was Trance and then he started to spin music that was like hip hop inspired and on his website he was talking about how hip hop was one of his first loves and I was so turned off by that... Because personally I am def a "TRANCEADDICT" and I do not listen to hip hop... and he would start throwing down hip hop beats with Trance and I was like "what is this" and instantly my body would Stop moving.
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??? if you knew anything about oakenfold then you would know he got his start doing hip hop, he even helped sign dj jazzy jeff and the fresh prince (will smith) and salt n' pepa. He then went to ibiza for a bit and the rest is history. |
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| E-vangelist |
some people bash joakenfold for the same reasons they bash Tiesto... some are valid, some are not.
Some people bash DJs because it's fashionable to do so or some DJ/producer they respect says something about someone and everyone jumps on the bandwagon and starts bashing them.. this is one of the bad reasons.
I fall into the next category, people who don't like them because they either don't have skill to match their reputation, or because they used to be good and have gotten lazy/sold out/suck now. Sure, I'm right there with you on the fact that oakie used to be good a while ago.. 98-2000 he was on top of everything.. but you can't seriously listen to his mixing and say it's anywhere near as good as Diggers, Armin, PVD, or any of the big european guys. Oakie has always been the king of short, uninteresting mixes and tends to just slam from 1 song into the next with minimal effort. If he's actually TRYING big long blending mixes, then he's worse than I thought. Normally I wouldn't care if a DJ was a weak mixer as long as his track selection is great, but when a DJ gets a rep like oakie that he's such a superstar, it just irks me because if you take the pepsi challenge with him and most other professional trance/prog DJs he's not anywhere close to as good. I could name you 20 DJs JUST from my station that are way better than joakenfold but you don't see them getting 10 grand for a show and that's too bad. DJs should get paid based on skill, not pure reputation.
When oakie got into that Bunkka/Urabn Soundtracks crap is when he really lost me. It's fine that Oakenfold got bored with trance... we got bored with him too ;) Tiesto is pretty much the same, he used to be really good a while ago but it seems like they're both just lazy now when it comes to their mixing.
I completely acknowledge all the good oakenfold has done for dance music, all the things he's achieved.. years ago. but there's a big difference between being on top and continuing to bring your A-game and getting on top and getting lazy that's why I don't really reapect joakenfold much anymore. Oh, and I HAVE seen him live.. a bunch of times. Starting all the way back in 99 up until this year I have finally started just skipping his shows because I don't feel it's worth my $ anymore |
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| BlueDestiny |
| Many people don't like him cuz he's a ROCKSTAR now hahahhahahaa |
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| XaNaX |
Most people hate on him because he is not playing exactly the music that they like or want to listen to.
Innovators like him are not satisfied with the status quo and playing the same old they always played. If he was he never would have brought the trance sounds of Ibiza back to England.
He is gonna keep changing his musical style because he is an innovator. Some people are gonna like it and some people are not. I'm sure when he started spinning trance there were some people that said 'hey what is this crap, what is Oakenfold doing?'
It's always the pioneer that gets shot with the arrow, and he is the biggest target because he is the biggest name trance DJ.
Before people hate on him, they should remember how many people listen to trance because Oakey got them into it.
Personally, I didn't like bunkka that much, not really my style. But I respect the man for giving that a try. I wont say his more recent stuff is better but it is more to my liking than bunkka. |
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| Tranceguy1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
actually i liked starry eyed surprise...it was pretty good. not trance, but still good.
people hate oakey a lot because of bunnka, but once again oakenfold was just leading the pack because look at the artist albums that have tried to follow oakenfold...tiesto's just be...pvd's reflections. they all are a lame atempt at immitating the success of oak. whether you like it or not...but we can't stop liking them can we?
i thought that each of those albums had a few good songs, but if people are gonna hate on oakenfold because he made bunnka...an album that has proven to be the first in a new trend in dance music..then you must also dislike the others. |
Thats absolute Bull...PVD has put out nothing BUT artist albums his entire career, except for "politics of dancing" which is his only mix album, and even that is full of his own original production and remixes. Before you knock him, why dont you ask yourself why Oakie went the way of PVD....not the other way around like you say |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranceguy1
Thats absolute Bull...PVD has put out nothing BUT artist albums his entire career, except for "politics of dancing" which is his only mix album, and even that is full of his own original production and remixes. Before you knock him, why dont you ask yourself why Oakie went the way of PVD....not the other way around like you say |
did i say that pvd never made an artist album before oakenfold? no. i actually own quite a few of them.
what i said was that the bunnka album was an attempt to appeal to both popular culture and traditional oakenfold fans. pvd's reflections album tried to do the same thing...just wasn't as obvious.
pvd's older artist albums were completely different than Reflections. what i meant was that dj's are trying to appeal to pop culture more and more...oakenfold just went a little too far too fast.. |
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