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| AnotherWay83 |
sorry to go on about this...i know its a gloomy subject...but i just read this, and i think its some of the most intelligent stuff i've read since the WTC bombings...i am quoting this directily from a post made in the newsgroup alt.prophecies.nostradamus....and i agree 100%, and frankly, it scares me...(a couple of days back i said that nostradamus' predictions are BS...i still stand by my views, i was browsing that ng just to get an idea of what these ppl. were talking about, it is, i admit, interesting stuff to read...but not true!!)
this, however, had NOTHING to do with prophecy.
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An Afghani-AMERICAN'S take
Dear XXXX and whoever else is on this email thread:
I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the
Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this
would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with
this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage.
What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing
whether we "have the belly to do what must be done."
And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I
am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've
never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone
who will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.
I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no
doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity
in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters.
But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even
the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant
psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political
criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you
think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of
Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not
only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They
were the first victims of the perpetrators.
They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban
and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their
country. Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the
Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt,
incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations
estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a
country with no economy, no food. There are millions of widows. And
the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The
soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the
Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not
overthrown the Taliban.
We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone
Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it
already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level
their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done.
Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut
them off from medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did
all that.
New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at
least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the
Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away
and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans,
they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying
over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the
criminals who did this horrific thing.
Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban--by
raping once again the people they've been raping all this time. So
what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true
fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there
with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what
needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to
kill as many as needed.
Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent
people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the
table is americans dying. And not just because some Americans would
die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout.
It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to
Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not
likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other
Muslim nations just stand by?
You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam
and the West.
And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he
wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's
all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It
might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world
into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west
wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a million people with
nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of
view. He's probably wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever
that would mean, but the war would last for years and millions would
die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that?
Bin Laden does. Anyone else?
Tamim Ansary
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| lMIlk |
| wow...thanks for that, changed many of my opinions:eyes: |
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| Spad |
| What else is there to say? Excellent post mate. |
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| Ibiza Dreams |
Very well written post and clearly explains the writer's complete views. However, I do not think the US will take action without hard and concrete evidence pointing to bin Laden. There is too much at risk to just attack out of anger, there has to be proof. AND, let me remind everyone that Afghanistan did say that if there was proof on bin Laden, they would take a look at the evidence and put bin Laden on trial in Afghanistan. But if the US does find hard evidence, and the Taliban refuse to accept the evidence, then I would not be surprised if the US begins the bombing runs on Kabul and the rest of that country. Innocent people will end up getting killed, just like a countless number of completely innocent people died here with the terrorist attacks. The US will probably first find bin Laden's location before bombing, to prevent as many unneeded casualties as possible. The "eye for an eye" philosophy is usually not a good way of thinking about things, but in a case like this one, it's hard to turn away from it, especially if you did lose a loved one. HOWEVER, REMEMBER that as of Saturday, 15th of September, it is still not 100% sure that bin Laden is behind this, although that's what it seems like. We cannot do much more than wait...
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| XxClayxX |
Very well said.
The whole hitler jew concentration camp thing really made sense to me. |
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| Viceroy |
Thanks for posting that man, very well said.
Peace,
Steve |
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| Eugene |
Stop this bull already.
Bin Laden is responsible for MANY attacks on the US, not just this one. And Omar, the Taliban leader, understands this perfectly. But he still doesn't want to release him.
Even if we give them the best evidence he'll still pretend it's not "good enough" evidence.
If there's great bloodshed, the responsibility will lie with the Taliban who could have avoided the civilian tragedy by releasing bin Laden. |
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| TranceFusion |
| hey man very well said. that really changes some opinions for me.... |
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| Sir. Lunchalot |
Huh this is gonna be a tough one...
The articel is very well written but I still have some comments on it:
| quote: | | bombing Afghanistan back to the stone age |
As the south german newspaper pointed out yesterday there would be no need to bomb Afghanistan back to the stone age since they already live there. This may not stop the US from doing it but it will surely not be as pleasing as bombing a country at least one age beofre the on they were actually on.
| quote: | When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you
think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of
Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." |
I totally disagree with this point since the logic isn`t right. If I think of the people of Afghanistan then (when comparing everything to Hitler) you have to think of the German people who were mislead, not of the people in the concentration camps. We have a saying in Germany since the second world war that goes like this:
If you don`t stand against something that you think is wrong then you áre suppoting it.
So the Afghanian people have the same guilt in them as we Germans had in the second world war. I can`t follow the argument of the author of the original articel at all, although I want to say that the people in Afghanistan most probably never heard the whole story of what is going on in the world so I can`t blame them for the anti-american views they have. ( I feel the need to explain the last sentence but I`m too tired to do so, but I will if asked to do so)
| quote: | Because to get any troops to
Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not
likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. |
I don`t believe that a conquest of Pakistan is ever going to happen since Pakistan is a nuclear power and since the delicate situation with India (I will also explain this only if asked to do so). Nevertheless I also believe that Pakistan will (if only for political reasons) give at least an air corridor to Afghanistan although the Taliban have already threatened everyone who gives aid to an attack on them.
| quote: | | And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. |
I totally agree on that.
Everything that is stated here is only my personal view. |
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| twilochik |
| that was a very intelligent post...but I still think Osama Bin Laden needs to be brought to justice. I'm not advocating we kill innocent people along the way...though that is inevitable if we go to war...but something must be done to try and rid the world of this fear of terrorism attack. I think what the US is trying to do is to not make it a war of Islam Vs. The West...the west being all western cultures...that includes europe and america. I think the US is basically forcing these fanatical leaders to take a stand...they are either with the "west" or against the west....and I think when push comes to shove Islamic nations that are currently not run by the Taliban will fall to the "west" just for protection. Look at Pakistan...they are now going to allow us to use their air space, and ground provided we use multinational troops. They know that it is far better to receive the protection from the "west" if Afghanistan and others that joined them would really attack. The people of Pakistan are not agreeing with their governments decision which shows to me that the Taliban is farther reaching then we ever thought. It's going to be a long process to win this so called war against terrorism. People have got to understand that these Islamic extremists will hate the west no matter what we do....we don't attack and they think we are cowards....or if we attack we are the horrible people oppressing them as we have always been. We are damned if we do...and damned if we don't. And personally I feel that Osama Bin Laden is a coward...so is the Taliban government....they convince these people to hate the "west" so much that the taking of innocent lives is justified. If Osama had hit just the Pentagon...or any other federal building that would be one thing...but he hit the WTC....with thousands of innocent people in it...not military people working for the government. Osama sends other people in his place to do his hateful dirty work. I understand that these people are a small select group. They are not representating the nation of Islam as a whole. But if the "west" went in there and took the Taliban government out of control...maybe that would help the people of afghanistan...and other islamic nations....maybe they would be free from the real opressors...their own government...and maybe for once the world might actually hear their voices and not some fanatical rantings. |
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