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Non-Jewish Paris woman suffers anti-Semitic attack (Wake up, France)
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| imokruok |
This is the sort of crap that I might expect if traveling in a majority-Muslim nation. But no...it happened in France, one of the cradles of Western civilization, where the government has no idea how to properly deal with a religion completely incompatible with its social mores.
Also interesting is how the -ass witnesses on the train did aboslutely nothing. Wouldn't expect anything less from the French...
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Jul. 11, 2004 16:21 | Updated Jul. 11, 2004 16:29
Non-Jewish Paris woman suffers anti-Semitic attack
By MICHEL ZLOTOWSKI
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...d=1089516099595
Paris
Six Arab youths attacked a 23-year old woman and her baby because they thought she was Jewish, Friday morning in a commuter train near Paris.
Six Arab youths aged 15 to 20 stole the backpack of a young mother traveling on the train. Rummaging through her documents for money and credit cards, they found out that her address was in the posh 16th arrondissement of Paris – in fact, her former address. "All the Jews live there," said one of the youth.
The six then pulled knives, slashed the young woman's T-shirt and trousers and cut her hair "for a souvenir," they told her. Then they daubed three swastikas on her belly with black felt pens. When the train stopped at the Sarcelles station (North of Paris), they knocked over the baby buggy holding the woman's one-year old baby and fled.
The woman, who is not Jewish, was not injured.
Some twenty people were seated in the double-decker carriage all the time the six were harassing the young mother. According to the police reports, no one tried to come to her help or even pulled the signal to warn a controller.
After the gang left the train, the young mother stayed on board with her baby and traveled another hour to reach her destination. She later went to the police station to file a complaint against her aggressors.
A French police source told The Jerusalem Post that all possible means were devoted to track down the culprits. The police requested the suburban train authority to provide the monitoring videotapes of the stations where the gang boarded and left the train. It takes twelve minutes to travel from the village of Louvres, where the six embarked, to Garges-Sarcelles, where they left the train. Large Jewish and Muslim communities live side by side in Sarcelles, 15 kilometers North of Paris.
"We asked for witnesses to come and testify," the source sid, "but no one has done so yet." In the case of aggressions, witnesses do not dare testify because they fear the culprits would retaliate. In several recent occurrences not linked to anti-Semitic attacks, indicted youths threatened witnesses inside courthouses. The witnesses then refused to testify. Even judges are often threatened in court.
French President Jacques Chirac said he was "horrified by this odious attack" that occurred only hours after he called on the French to step up the struggle against anti-Semitism and racism. All French political leaders expressed their horror and disgust at a crime "smearing France", said Jean-Louis Debr , the Chairman of the National Assembly.
Roger Cukierman, Chairman of CRIF, the umbrella body politically representing French Jews, said, "We know that the French government is up in arms against anti-Semitism. We would like the civil society to do the same. Because judges reject cases brought against perpetrators of anti-Semitic acts or aggressions, those people feel they enjoy a total impunity. It is now up to the imams and the Muslim leaders to speak out and firmly condemn anti-Semitism. If they fail to do so, the civilian peace is at stake", said Cukierman.
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| torontotrance |
| Any nation that had this crap happen, should take a hardline to it. |
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| Yoepus |
| its ok.. its all israel's fault:rolleyes: |
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| PHALPAX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
its ok.. its all israel's fault:rolleyes: |
as well as the liberal elite........and NAFTA..... :toothless |
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| NYCTrancefan |
Sounds to me like a bunch of disgusting SOB's, anyone who would attack a woman and her child is a low-life degenerate, seems like these morons have nothing else to do with themselves. I wish France the best of luck in dealing with this subject matter, from head scarves to attacks on innocent people, Jews or not by idiots, France has its hands full. Time will tell us all what happens in France.
P.S. and no this is not just an isolated incident. |
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| imokruok |
| quote: | | They found out that her address was in the posh 16th arrondissement of Paris – in fact, her former address. "All the Jews live there," said one of the youth. |
Here's further evidence that the stereotypes about Jews controlling all of the wealth still ring true in the Muslim community. The 16th arr. isn't one of Paris' Jewish enclaves at all - it's merely the area where people who are well-off in Paris like to live. |
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| torontotrance |
| Toronto has had a few Jewish hatecrimes in recent months, where some sob neo nazi kids defaced some jewish graves, some jewish centres and the cops cracked down on it severely. The premier, the PM, the mayor all said it would not be allowed and whoever did it would be taken to court. I'm not sure if they caught all of them but in Canada, the hatecrime law allows the judge to triple the sentence, if it was a hatecrime. |
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| Renegade |
| quote: | This is the sort of crap that I might expect if traveling in a majority-Muslim nation.
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Wouldn't expect anything less from the French... |
Are you completely blind to irony? You're condemning anti-Semitism and then following it up with your own racist / nationalistic generalisations - fine work, imokruok.
So, anyway, what's the point of this thread? That racism exists in France? Yep, we know it, they know it - where were you planning on going with this? At least they've done something about it (anti-Semitic attacks reduced this year) and continue to introduce initiatives to curb it even further (click). The fact that the president should be moved enough by an issue to comment publicly about a very specific incident (how often do presidents comment on specific crimes?) should give you some indication that the French government is concerned about such crimes and I'm sure that it will work (as it already has done) to eliminate anti-Semitism insofar as it has to power to do so.
In any case, the point is that racist attacks occur in all nations. You can't judge the character of an entire nation on the actions of a few sick-minded individuals. Could I, for instance, judge the moral-fibre of the United States based on the racist attacks that occur there? Here's something to read:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/usahate/usa1102.pdf
Any generalisations you want to make on the basis of nationality there, champ? Or do you recognise, here, that the damage is being caused by a few individuals and that the good name of the entire nation should not be smeared as a result?
And here's something even better:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003...ain545004.shtml
Now with the anti-Semitic attack in France, Chirac publicly condemned it and instituted policies aimed at curbing further such attacks. Where was Bush was this one? Oh, sorry, that's right. He was actively inciting further anti-French attacks by giving his staff carte blanche to spout their xenophobic invective. So instead of public condemnation of such attacks (like the anti-semitic attack, this was not an isolated incident), we got "freedom fries" in the Congress cafeteria. We got Rumsfeld's "old Europe" jibes. We got Wolfowitz and Perle making explicit threats to the French nation. We got Rebublican congressmen making jokes that - had they been about any other nation or race of people - would have gotten them fired in a second. Of course all this biggotted hyperbole was all the convincing conservative sycophants like you needed to know that France - despite the fact a healthy Franco-American alliance that had lasted 200 years prior to this point - was evil and that it was probably a good thing to stop drinking Evian, start eating "freedom toast" and - in extreme cases like this - fire-bomb any businesses that happen to depict famous French monuments (except this one of course). Where the French government has moved to quash xenophobic extremism, yours has openly encouraged it - remind me again why I should be condemning those "-ass" French?
I'm not quite sure why conservatives feel so intimidated by the French that they have to lash out randomly like this, but I do know it makes you look stupid. How are you any better than the xenophobics that, in this case, you rightly condemn? |
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| Palestinian |
Disgusting crime. I would guess the reason the other passengers in the train did nothing was due to what we call in Psychology 'bystander non-intervention', asking yourself why doesn't the guy next to me do something or if no one else is doing anything then it's probably right to stay seated and say nothing, or simply wait and hope for the chance that someone else will do something.
This happens all the time actually, and people should be aware of this effect for the future. The most famous case of non-bystander intervention is when Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death in the 70s called for help for 20 minutes in her neighborhood and although everyone could hear it, no one did jack or call the police because they thought someone else would. |
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| Flotser |
| i guess those guys came straight from a refugee camp in the west bank, eh Palestinian? |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by imokruok
This is the sort of crap that I might expect if traveling in a majority-Muslim nation. But no...it happened in France, one of the cradles of Western civilization, where the government has no idea how to properly deal with a religion completely incompatible with its social mores.
Also interesting is how the -ass witnesses on the train did aboslutely nothing. Wouldn't expect anything less from the French... |
Like the anti-Semitic incident mentioned in the article, this statement reeks of racism against Muslim and French people. As well as bashing anti-Samaritans.
The very thing about racism you loathe is spewing from your keyboard. |
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| imokruok |
| quote: | Originally posted by imokruok
a religion completely incompatible with its social mores.
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| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Like the anti-Semitic incident mentioned in the article, this statement reeks of racism against Muslim and French people. |
And your comment is why most of the Parisians simply shrug their shoulders and let the decrepit suburbs collapse around them. Every time someone states the obvious, they're branded racist or whatever "ist" name is the flavor of the day by whatever groups are perfectly happy with a future of dhimmitude. (And it is quite an obvious culture clash, if you'd ever had the chance to view the true separation on so many different levels between the ethnic French and the North African immigrants.)
I am viciously difficult with the French on this forum, only because I have lived in Paris, and have many friends who also live there. They exemplify what I've just written in the preceeding paragraph. As long as they can keep their cafe lifestyle in Paris, they don't worry about what goes on around them, because it's just to difficult to stick your neck out. My friends and I have had occasion to discuss this issue before, and their position is basically: "we can't see it yet, so it's not our problem." Outside of the US, Paris is the city about which I care most deeply, and I really wish that things were different.
There is no coordinated effort to integrate the Muslims, because every time the government tries, leftist groups come out of the woodwork to say that you're trying to destroy the Muslim culture. Chirac does a little here and a little there to foster integration, but it only delays the inevitable clash of cultures. Sarkozy has been the only mainstream politican with real plans to deal with the situation, but he's a threat to Chirac internally within the right-wing, so the party officials have marginalized his position.
The fact is, by not dealing with the lack of integration swiftly right now, the current government is setting up the country for a far more fascist solution to the problem 20 or 30 years into the future. If the population of Muslims relative to the rest of the French continues to increase at its current rate, do you think Le Pen's Front National will weaken or grow in strength? Either choose to deal with the issue now on your own terms, or you will have to deal with it later on someone else's.
And for those who equate my "-ass" comment with the anti-Semitic attack perpetrated in this article, nice try, but "-ass" doesn't equal assault, swastikas, or knocking over baby carriages. |
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