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Bushco's idea of "leave no child behind"
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| DaveSZ |
I'm surprised nobody has brought this up here, but that's likely because the US press has been almost silent on this issue for whatever reason. I believe everyone here, especially Americans and "coalition" allies, should know what is being done in their (our) name (even if the truth is ugly).
Only by knowing the truth and not closing our eyes to it can we ever hope the remedy the problems.
If these allegations are true, a vote for Bush = a vote for child torture.
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/l...ticle823183.ece
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Norway protests child abuse in Iraq
Norwegian authorities reacted with shock and disgust Tuesday to a documentary on German TV that American soldiers allegedly have been holding children in prisons in Iraq, and abusing them as well. The Norwegians joined the Red Cross and Amnesty International in calling for an immediate end to the abuse, and release of the underage prisoners, some of whom are as young as 12 years.
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Der Spiegel is the German equivalent of Time or Newsweek:
http://www.informationclearinghouse...article6430.htm
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More Than 100 Children Imprisoned
Report Of Abuse By U.S. Soldiers
07/04/04 "Der Spiegel" -- (Translated by SAB, NY) -- According to information from the International Red Cross, more than a 100 children are imprisoned in Iraq, including in the infamous prison Abu Ghraib.
The German TV magazine "Report" revealed that there has been abuse of children and youth by the coalition forces.
Mainz - "Between January and May of this year we've registered 107 children, during 19 visits in 6 different detention locations" the representative of the International Red Cross, Florian Westphal, told the TV station SWR's Magazine "Report Mainz". He noted that these were places of detention controlled by coalition troops. According to Westphal the number of children held captive could be even higher.
The TV Magazine also reported of evidence and eye witness reports according to which U.S. soldiers also abused children and youthful detainees. Samuel Provance, a staff sergeant stationed in the now infamous Abu Ghraib prison said that interrogating officers had pressured a 15 or 16 year old girl. Military police had only intervened when the girl was already half undressed. On another occasion, a 16 year old was soaked with water, driven through the cold, and then smeared with mud.
UNICEF, the United Nations Children's Fund, confirmed the detention of Iraqi children by foreign military according to "Report" which cited an interim memorandum by the organization, The as yet unreleased report, which is dated June 2004, is quoted as follows: "Children who were detained in the cities of Kerbala and Basra because of alleged activities against the occupying forces were reportedly routinely sent to a detention camp at Umm Kasr. The classification of these children as detainees is worrisome because it includes unspecified length of detention without contact to their families pending further proceedings or legal actions".
The German section of the human rights organization Amnesty International is demanding a clarification of the allegations and a response from the US government.
© SPIEGEL ONLINE 2004
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| DaveSZ |
Bob Barr is very conservative, so what he says is telling:
http://www.modbee.com/state_wire/st...p-9706014c.html
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Clarke calls U.S. treatment of Iraqi prisoners "war crime"
By BILEN MESFIN, Associated Press Writer
Last Updated: July 8, 2004, 07:25:16 PM PDT
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Former White House terrorism czar Richard Clarke called the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib a "war crime" and again blasted the Bush administration for actions that he said are intensifying the threat of terrorism.
"We have a major problem and we have not improved it over the last three years," Clarke said Thursday at the annual conference of the American Civil Liberties Union. "It, in fact, has gotten worse."
An unlikely medley of speakers, including former Republican congressman Bob Barr and FBI whistleblower Coleen Rowley, joined Clarke to talk about the increasing tension between civil liberties and national security. Later Thursday, Colorado Gov. Bill Owens, a Republican, debated former Democratic presidential contender Howard Dean on the same issue.
Clarke leveled the worst of his volleys against the Bush administration for its handling of terrorism, which he said had helped al-Qaida mutate into an uncontrollable entity "that no longer need Osama bin Laden to direct it," he said.
A counterterrorism adviser to the last three presidents, Clarke left the Bush administration in early 2003, and has since been unrelenting in his criticism of the president's strategy and the invasion of Iraq.
Agreeing that terrorism was a real threat to the United States, he proposed that the government pour money - at least $90 billion over the next five years - into fortifying fire departments and hospitals.
"Why aren't we spending that money on homeland security?" he asked, rhetorically. "Because we're spending $200 billion over the course of two years" on Iraq.
Turning to the issue of civil liberties, Clarke pointed to the administration's treatment of terror suspects like Jose Padilla as an example of tactics that are eroding the nation's ideological credibility.
An American citizen, Padilla was taken to a military prison and designated off-limits to his lawyer and others.
"The whole point of fighting the Jihadists is to stop a group of people who would take away our civil liberties," Clarke said. "It makes no sense for us to do their work for them."
Clarke also drew laughs when he mentioned the response he received when he told someone he planned to speak at an ACLU convention.
"I have a little secret," he said, to appreciative chuckles. "I joined the ACLU in 1971."
Bob Barr, one of the most conservative members of Congress during four terms representing Georgia, said that concerns about privacy, surveillance and national security led him to join forces with the liberal group.
"Make no mistake about it," Barr said to an audience that gradually warmed up to him. "The stakes could not be higher. This election year will in large measure determine whether or not the Bill of Rights survives in America."
FBI Agent Coleen Rowley, named one of Time magazine's "People of the Year" for accusing the FBI of ignoring warnings of the Sept. 11 attacks, also spoke. She dubbed herself "a dime-a-dozen government employee" and called for better federal whistleblower protections.
Unsurprisingly, Gov. Owens faced a tough crowd later in the day as he tried to defend the Patriot Act while debating Howard Dean.
Calling the Patriot Act "the least-read and most commented-upon piece of legislation in recent history," he said the real threat to civil liberties was not the act or the Justice Department's enforcement of it, but terrorism.
"The Act represents a reasonable tool to help us face the very real danger that confronts us," he said. "The worst thing about the Patriot Act is its name."
Owens said the absence of a terrorism attack on U.S. soil since Sept. 11, 2001 was not due to "just luck."
While the audience hissed at some of Owens' points, it was more receptive to Dean. The former Vermont governor said he wasn't advocating for the full repeal of the Patriot Act, but disagreed with its more "grievous provisions."
Dean added that while it was clear "the Patriot Act is not perfect," a bigger threat in his view is the president and his administration.
"Maybe what we really need to do is repeal the Bush administration," he said to applause. "We need an administration that is willing to step forward and stand up for our rights, and not just for our freedom."
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On the Net:
American Civil Liberties Union: www.aclu.org
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http://www.unicef.org/media/media_20927.html
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UNICEF Statement on Iraq
GENEVA / NEW YORK, 11 May 2004 – UNICEF is profoundly disturbed by news reports alleging that children may have been among those abused in detention centres and prisons in Iraq. Although the news reports have not been independently substantiated, they are alarming nonetheless.
Any mistreatment, sexual abuse, exploitation or torture of children in detention is a violation of international law - including the Convention on the Rights of the Child; the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment; the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights; and the Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols.
The detention or imprisonment of a child must be used only as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time. For their safety and protection, children should never be incarcerated with adults, and should have prompt access to legal, medical, emotional and other appropriate assistance. These standards apply in all cases involving children, including those who are considered to be child combatants.
All persons in detention must be treated with humanity and with respect for their inherent dignity as human beings. In particular, States have an obligation to protect children and to ensure that their officials are aware of, trained in, and comply with the relevant international standards. |
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| DaveSZ |
http://www.the-signal.com/Archive/V...sp?StoryID=4911
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai.../ixnewstop.html
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Rumsfeld gave go-ahead for Abu Ghraib tactics, says general in charge
By Julian Coman in Washington
(Filed: 04/07/2004)
The former head of the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad has for the first time accused the American Secretary of Defence, Donald Rumsfeld, of directly authorising Guantanamo Bay-style interrogation tactics.
Brig-Gen Janis Karpinski, who commanded the 800th Military Police Brigade, which is at the centre of the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal, said that documents yet to be released by the Pentagon would show that Mr Rumsfeld personally approved the introduction of harsher conditions of detention in Iraq.
Brig Gen Karpinski [left] with Donald Rumsfeld, after Guantanamo chief jailer Maj Gen Miller's visit to Iraq
In an interview with The Signal newspaper of Santa Clarita, California, which was also broadcast on a local television channel yesterday, Gen Karpinski was asked if she knew of documents showing that Mr Rumsfeld approved "particular interrogation techniques" for Abu Ghraib.
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http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/200...4/usint8614.htm
Summary of International and U.S. Law Prohibiting Torture and Other Ill-treatment of Persons in Custody
Last Updated May 24, 2004
International and U.S. law prohibits torture and other ill-treatment of any person in custody in all circumstances. The prohibition applies to the United States during times of peace, armed conflict, or a state of emergency. Any person, whether a U.S. national or a non-citizen, is protected. It is irrelevant whether the detainee is determined to be a prisoner-of-war, a protected person, or a so-called “security detainee” or “unlawful combatant.” And the prohibition is in effect within the territory of the United States or any place anywhere U.S. authorities have control over a person. In short, the prohibition against torture and ill-treatment is absolute.
The following summary sets out the major international legal obligations of the United States and various legal bases by which U.S. officials, military personnel and others could be prosecuted for torture or other mistreatment of persons held at U.S. military and intelligence detention facilities. Included are web links to the cited international conventions and federal statutes.
I. International Humanitarian Law and the Geneva Conventions
The primary source of international humanitarian law (also called the laws of war) is the four Geneva Conventions of 1949, which the United States ratified in 1955. The Third Geneva Convention concerns prisoners-of-war; the Fourth Geneva Convention safeguards so-called “protected persons,” most simply described as detained civilians. Detainees must at all times be humanely treated (Geneva III, art. 13, Geneva IV, art. 27). Detainees may be questioned, but any form of “physical or mental coercion” is prohibited (Geneva III, art. 17; Geneva IV, art. 31). Women shall be protected from rape and any form of indecent assault (Geneva IV, art. 27).
Torture or inhuman treatment of prisoners-of-war (Geneva III, arts. 17 & 87) or protected persons (Geneva IV, art. 32) are grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions, and are considered war crimes (Geneva III, art. 130; Geneva IV, art. 147). War crimes create an obligation on any state to prosecute the alleged perpetrators or turn them over to another state for prosecution. This obligation applies regardless of the nationality of the perpetrator, the nationality of the victim or the place where the act of torture or inhuman treatment was committed (Geneva III, art.129; Geneva IV, art. 146).
Detainees in an armed conflict or military occupation are also protected by common article 3 to the Geneva Conventions. Article 3 prohibits “[v]iolence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; …outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.”
Even persons who are not entitled to the protections of the 1949 Geneva Conventions (such as some detainees from third countries) are protected by the “fundamental guarantees” of article 75 of Protocol I of 1977 to the Geneva Conventions. The United States has long considered article 75 to be part of customary international law (a widely supported state practice accepted as law). Article 75 prohibits murder, “torture of all kinds, whether physical or mental,” “corporal punishment,” and “outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment, … and any form of indecent assault.”
II. Human Rights Law
Torture and other mistreatment of persons in custody are also prohibited in all circumstances under international human rights law, which applies in both peacetime and wartime. Among the relevant treaties are the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (arts. 7 & 10) and the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (Convention against Torture), both of which the United States has ratified. The standard definition of torture can be found in article 1 of the Convention against Torture.
In its reservations to the Convention against Torture, the United States claims to be bound by the obligation to prevent “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment” only insofar as the term means the cruel, unusual and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. Furthermore, U.S. reservations say that mental pain or suffering only refers to prolonged mental harm from: (1) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering; (2) the use or threat of mind altering substances; (3) the threat of imminent death; or (4) that another person will imminently be subjected to the above mistreatment.
Prohibitions on torture and other ill-treatment are also found in other international documents, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the U.N. Body of Principles for the Protection of All Persons under Any Form of Detention or Imprisonment, and the U.N. Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners.
Additionally, the prohibition on torture is considered a fundamental principle of customary international law that is binding on all states (what is known as a “peremptory norm” of international law because it preempts all other customary laws). All states are bound to respect the prohibition on torture and ill-treatment whether or not they are parties to treaties which expressly contain the prohibition. They are also obliged to prevent and to punish acts of torture, even if they are not parties to treaties that expressly require them to do so.
The widespread or systematic practice of torture constitutes a crime against humanity. (See, e.g., art. 5 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court)
III. U.S. Law
The United States has incorporated international prohibitions against torture and mistreatment of persons in custody into its domestic law. The United States has reported to the Committee Against Torture that: “Every act of torture within the meaning of the Convention is illegal under existing federal and state law, and any individual who commits such an act is subject to penal sanctions as specified in criminal statutes. Such prosecutions do in fact occur in appropriate circumstances. Torture cannot be justified by exceptional circumstances, nor can it be excused on the basis of an order from a superior officer. “
Military personnel who mistreat prisoners can be prosecuted by a court-martial under various provisions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ, arts. 77-134).
The War Crimes Act of 1996 (18 U.S.C. § 2441) makes it a criminal offense for U.S. military personnel and U.S. nationals to commit war crimes as specified in the 1949 Geneva Conventions. War crimes under the act include grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions. It also includes violations of common Article 3 to the Geneva Conventions, which prohibits “violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; …outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.
A federal anti-torture statute (18 U.S.C. § 2340A), enacted in 1994, provides for the prosecution of a U.S. national or anyone present in the United States who, while outside the U.S., commits or attempts to commit torture. Torture is defined as an “act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control.” A person found guilty under the act can be incarcerated for up to 20 years or receive the death penalty if the torture results in the victim’s death.
Military contractors working for the Department of Defense might also be prosecuted under the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000 (Public Law 106-778), known as MEJA. MEJA permits the prosecution in federal court of U.S. civilians who, while employed by or accompanying U.S. forces abroad, commit certain crimes. Generally, the crimes covered are any federal criminal offense punishable by imprisonment for more than one year. The MEJA remains untested because the Defense Department has yet to issue necessary implementing regulations required by the law. |
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| imokruok |
Well, since we're into just posting things today, here's the other side of the story.
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Iraqi children return to school
3 October 2003
By Jill McGivering
BBC correspondent in Baghdad
Several million Iraqi children go back to school for the start of the new academic year on Wednesday.
Many will find radical changes to their classrooms, textbooks and even the style of teaching.
After a decade of international sanctions, many Iraqi schools became very run down, in desperate need of investment.
In recent months, tens of thousands of local contractors, appointed by the US-led coalition, embarked on a massive programme to rebuild and refurbish.
It is still under way, but as the new school year starts, more than 1,000 schools have been declared finished.
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Leesville Leader
10 July 2004
FORT POLK -- Like other American soldiers, Capt. Bill Goin is proud to have served his country while in Iraq and contributed to the emancipation of the Iraqi people.
"The most memorable things about being in Iraq is seeing the oppressed people get a glimpse of freedom," said Goin. "You can see the changes and a lot of people want good things for the Iraqis."
Goin, who was one of the first 275 troops with the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment who returned to Fort Polk Thursday after serving 15 months, said he made friends among the natives. "We made good friends that we could trust. Some of them I would look forward to seeing again."
Not only did American soldiers secure perimeters, they also secured a place for Iraqi children to learn and prepare themselves for the future.
"The positive part is seeing the children trying to go to school and seeing people who didn't have running water, actually have clean, running water and so on," he said.
Goin's wife, Jaime, recalls her husband's involvement with enhancing the livelihood of children in Iraq. "He helped with a school supply program," she said. "He just loves to help the children."
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| MisterOpus1 |
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Well, since we're into just posting things today, here's the other side of the story.
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I do think it's important to show the positive aspects of the war, esp. the opening of schools and children's education.
However, the points Dave brings up about children being locked up and tortured should be extremely disturbing to anyone (not to say that I believe it doesn't bother you specifically). |
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| DaveSZ |
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Well, since we're into just posting things today, here's the other side of the story.
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The other side of the other side of the story courtesy of the Republican Congress:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9041465.htm
Iraq is worse off than before the war began, GAO reports
By Seth Borenstein
Knight Ridder Newspapers
WASHINGTON - In a few key areas - electricity, the judicial system and overall security - the Iraq that America handed back to its residents Monday is worse off than before the war began last year, according to calculations in a new General Accounting Office report released Tuesday.
The 105-page report by Congress' investigative arm offers a bleak assessment of Iraq after 14 months of U.S. military occupation. Among its findings:
-In 13 of Iraq's 18 provinces, electricity was available fewer hours per day on average last month than before the war. Nearly 20 million of Iraq's 26 million people live in those provinces.
-Only $13.7 billion of the $58 billion pledged and allocated worldwide to rebuild Iraq has been spent, with another $10 billion about to be spent. The biggest chunk of that money has been used to run Iraq's ministry operations.
-The country's court system is more clogged than before the war, and judges are frequent targets of assassination attempts.
-The new Iraqi civil defense, police and overall security units are suffering from mass desertions, are poorly trained and ill-equipped.
-The number of what the now-disbanded Coalition Provisional Authority called significant insurgent attacks skyrocketed from 411 in February to 1,169 in May.
The report was released on the same day that the CPA's inspector general issued three reports that highlighted serious management difficulties at the CPA. The reports found that the CPA wasted millions of dollars at a Hilton resort hotel in Kuwait because it didn't have guidelines for who could stay there, lost track of how many employees it had in Iraq and didn't track reconstruction projects funded by international donors to ensure they didn't duplicate U.S. projects.
Both the GAO report and the CPA report said that the CPA was seriously understaffed for the gargantuan task of rebuilding Iraq. The GAO report suggested the agency needed three times more employees than what it had. The CPA report said the agency believed it had 1,196 employees, when it was authorized to have 2,117. But the inspector general said CPA's records were so disorganized that it couldn't verify its actual number of employees.
GAO Comptroller General David Walker blamed insurgent attacks for many of the problems in Iraq. "The unstable security environment has served to slow down our rebuilding and reconstruction efforts and it's going to be of critical importance to provide more stable security," Walker told Knight Ridder Newspapers in a telephone interview Tuesday.
"There are a number of significant questions that need to be asked and answered dealing with the transition (to self-sovereignty)," Walker said. "A lot has been accomplished and a lot remains to be done."
The GAO report is the first government assessment of conditions in Iraq at the end of the U.S. occupation. It outlined what it called "key challenges that will affect the political transition" in 10 specific areas.
The GAO gave a draft of the report to several different government agencies, but only the CPA offered a major comment: It said the report "was not sufficiently critical of the judicial reconstruction effort."
"The picture it paints of the facts on the ground is one that neither the CPA nor the Bush administration should be all that proud of," said Peter W. Singer, a national security scholar at the centrist Brookings Institution. "It finds a lot of problems and raises a lot of questions."
One of the biggest problems, Singer said, is that while money has been pledged and allocated, not much has been spent. The GAO report shows that very little of the promised international funds - most of which are in loans - has been spent or can't be tracked. The CPA's inspector general found the same thing.
"When we ask why are things not going the way we hoped for," Singer said, "the answer in part of this is that we haven't actually spent what we have in pocket."
He said the figures on electricity "make me want to cry."
Steven Susens, a spokesman for the Program Management Office, which oversees contractors rebuilding Iraq, conceded that many areas of Iraq have fewer hours of electricity now than they did before the war. But he said the report, based on data that's now more than a month old, understates current electrical production. He said some areas may have reduced electricity availability because antiquated distribution systems had been taken out of service so they could be rebuilt.
"It's a slow pace, but it's certainly growing as far as we're concerned," Susens said.
Danielle Pletka, the vice president of foreign and defense policy studies at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said other issues are more important than the provision of services such as electricity. She noted that Iraqis no longer live in fear of Saddam Hussein.
"It's far better to live in the dark than it is to run the risk that your mother, father, brother, sister, husband or wife would be taken away never to be seen again," Pletka said.
Pletka pointed to a Pentagon slide presentation that detailed increases and improvement in telephone subscribers, water service, food, health care and schools in Iraq.
But Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., the ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that asked for the GAO report, said the report showed major problems.
"So while we've handed over political sovereignty, we haven't handed over practical capacity - that is, the ability for the Iraqis themselves to provide security, defend their borders, defeat the insurgency, deliver basic services, run a government and set the foundation for economic progress," Biden said in a written statement. "Until Iraqis can do all of that, it will be impossible for us to responsibly disengage from Iraq."
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The GAO report can be found at
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04902r.pdf |
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| DaveSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I do think it's important to show the positive aspects of the war, esp. the opening of schools and children's education.
However, the points Dave brings up about children being locked up and tortured should be extremely disturbing to anyone (not to say that I believe it doesn't bother you specifically). |
The point of creating this thread is for that very reason.
People need to know about this, and the US media is almost completely silent.
What would it take? Pictures? They couldn't even be published because child porn is illegal. |
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| DaveSZ |
I'm going to keep this thread kicked for as long as needed to expose these war crimes.
I could censor myself, but I'm not going to even though this pains me to read of such terrible things.
http://www.thepoorman.net/archives/002960.html
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Seymour Hersh says the US government has videotapes of boys being sodomized at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
"The worst is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking," the reporter told an ACLU convention last week. Hersh says there was "a massive amount of criminal wrongdoing that was covered up at the highest command out there, and higher." ...
"The disaffecion inside the Pentagon is extremeley accute," Hersh says. He tells the story of an officer telling Rumsfeld how bad things are, and Rummy turning to a ranking general yes-man who reassured him that things are just fine. Says Hersh, "The Secretary of Defense is simply incapable of hearing what he doesn’t want to hear."
The Iraqi insurgency, he says,was operating in 1-to-3 man cells a year ago, now in 10-15 man cells, and despite the harsh questioning, "we still know nothing about them...we have no tactical information.”
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Some of the worse that happened that you don't know about, ok. Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib which is 30 miles from Baghdad [...]
The women were passing messages saying "Please come and kill me, because of what's happened". Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out.
It's impossible to say to yourself how do we get there? who are we? Who are these people that sent us there?
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Listen to Hersh's speech at the 1hr 8 minute mark:
http://stream.realimpact.net/?file=...ossroads_300.rm
Hersh is one of the only real journalists we have left who isn't either a paid shill or one who self-censors.
He's working on a new piece for the New Yorker.
I pray he has good security around him, because the neocons may arrange a convenient "accident" for him. |
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| DaveSZ |
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Do you at least acknowledge that there is no place for child torture in interrogations?
Do you acknowledge that these crimes violate US and international law? |
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| nic01445 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSZ
Do you at least acknowledge that there is no place for child torture in interrogations?
Do you acknowledge that these crimes violate US and international law? |
Rules are made to be broken. |
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| DaveSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by nic01445
Rules are made to be broken. |
Let me spell this out for you:
Your tax dollars paid for children to be abused.
This issue will separate those who have a soul from those who don't. |
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