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How long can you go ? (track length)
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| Swing |
Quick question
With a track for production, especially to vinyl, what's the longest you can go without reasonably upsetting the apple cart ? |
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| thecYrus |
| i wouldn't go more then 12 minutes.. i normally try to be between 6 and 9 minutes.. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| If I remember correctly the max capacity of a vinyl was about 40 minutes, so that's about 20 mins per side. I don't know what that does to the quality though. |
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| BIKKEL |
| I heard that most dj's dont spin it if its longer then 12 minutes! |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by BIKKEL
I heard that most dj's dont spin it if its longer then 12 minutes! |
You know, they don't actually need to play all of it... |
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| KilldaDJ |
| most of my remixes keep between 5-7 minutes |
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| paranoik0 |
| wish i had the skill to keep something interesting for 12 minutes |
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| robin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
If I remember correctly the max capacity of a vinyl was about 40 minutes, so that's about 20 mins per side. I don't know what that does to the quality though. |
quality gets less towards the inside (right) since the record doesn't moves as fast below the needle there. but i think its more about how close they have to putt the 'tracks' (which the needle follows) closer together, which would make skipping easyer so thats baad.
think you better aim around 8 with 9 as absolute limit
just check online vinyl stores for tracklenghts, longest i've seen is 10.46 for andain - beautifull things (g&d unplugged) but thats pretty rare afaik |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by robin
quality gets less towards the inside (right) since the record doesn't moves as fast below the needle there. but i think its more about how close they have to putt the 'tracks' (which the needle follows) closer together, which would make skipping easyer so thats baad.
think you better aim around 8 with 9 as absolute limit
just check online vinyl stores for tracklenghts, longest i've seen is 10.46 for andain - beautifull things (g&d unplugged) but thats pretty rare afaik |
lostep - burma (sasha remix) is 12 mins long, and i'm pretty sure that's not the longest ever
it also has to do with 33/45 rpm, in 45 rpm there's less space i think, usually when it's a long track or there's two tracks in a side they press it at 33 |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
lostep - burma (sasha remix) is 12 mins long, and i'm pretty sure that's not the longest ever
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Sarah McLachlan - World On Fire (Junkie XL Remix) 12:24 |
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| Dj Thy |
On vinyl, maximum time is related to the maximum level you want (this has to do with the vibrations in the grooves).
The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) and the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) have created a specification for physical groove vibrations called the Standard Reference Level. All (decent) mastering rooms calibrate their equipment to this level, and most cut 12-inch or 10-inch 33-rpm records at the Standard Reference Level (or 0 dB).
This is how level relates to playing time:
- 12-inch at 33 rpm, maximum time at 0 dB, 20 minutes.
- 12-inch at 33 rpm, maximum time at -3 dB, 24 minutes.
- 12-inch at 33 rpm, maximum time at -6 dB, 28 minutes.
These numbers work fine for most music-but dance music, which typically requires a louder pressing, should have fewer grooves per inch.
Here are the times recommended for dance music:
- 12-inch at 33 rpm, maximum time at +6 dB, 12 minutes and 30 seconds.
- 12-inch at 45 rpm, maximum time at +6 dB, 9 minutes and 15 seconds.
- 10-inch at 33 rpm, maximum time at +6 dB, 9 minutes and 55 seconds.
- 10-inch at 45 rpm, maximum time at +6 dB, 7 minutes and 15 seconds.
In general, 45 rpm sounds better (better high freq response). So you got your reccomendations right here. |
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| Subtle |
| Medway -Trauma (Inkfish Remix) 13:12 |
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