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| Ken_Allen |
| I have a gemini turntable...It's pretty old and and I think it's actually a decent built turntable from gemini with pitch control. I can't find the right bpm and match the songs together...I will be upgrading to tt200's very soon. I can hear the bass fine and everything. Does cueing have anything to do with it (I think thats like stopping it and letting it go when you hear the first beat out of a build up?) I just can't do it =\ |
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| IKKI-ZUVK |
If they are belt drive don't even bother trying to beatmatch two records cuz it'd be pretty much impossible !
Hope it helps !
Cheers |
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| djshan |
| are you saying that you cant find the right bpm because there isnt enough pitch adjustment? or are you reffering to the bpm counters? if the bpm counters is your case, its better to just not look at them and try beatmatching in your head. if the pitch adjustment is the problem, i suggest you upgrade. good luck;) |
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| Ken_Allen |
| It's a pretty damn good Direct Drive gemini turntable with pretty good torque and response to the pitch fader. I cant detirmine what the average bpm is with my ear and some people say thats what you have to learn to do, is that true? |
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| Audigy7 |
| Maybe get a mixer with a bpm counter? |
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| PVD & T[]C |
i never worry about what the bpm is. i just throw on my headphones, push my mixer into cue and throw both vinyls on. from there you just listen for the kicks to be about the same. obviously you are gonna have two songs with completely dif bpms so you will have to use the pitch adjuster to speed up and slow down the song you are cueing in. or you could just use your fingers on the platter to slow it down to the right speed. just dont rely on the blinking lights or a bpm counter. beatmatching is a skill learned with practice and no machine is gonna do it for you. some people get it faster than others..
just remember to try and transition on an 8th, 16th, or 32nd beat. you wouldnt want the next song to jump in where it would sound all weird. just count 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4 in your head with the beat. although for me and some people it comes natural to know whether you are on the right beat.
i have only been trying to mix for 3 days, but i can beatmatch alright. i just cant get a REALLY smooth nice sounding transition from song to song. if someone can help me with that i would be soooo thankful.
good luck.:D
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| dj chex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Audigy7
Maybe get a mixer with a bpm counter? |
LMAO!!! :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
BPM counters are bad. Especially for someone learning to mix. Just keep working at it and once you learn it's like riding a bike. You'll never forget. BTW, when you do become proficient w/ mixing, you will be able to hear the pitch and eq/gain changes from other dj's sets, and also get a little carried away into thinking how you would adjust the eq, pitch, gain, etc. Kinda crazy :nervous: or it maybe just me that does it. |
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| Ken_Allen |
| I've been djing just at home here on traktor for about a year now and I guess i've learned a LOT from traktor. But the move from traktor to turntables is just a whole new world. I have a mixer with bpm counters...but i've never used them because when I put on a progressive trance song I know is 130bpm or close to that, it tells me it's 160, so I don't ever look. |
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| veezee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ken_Allen
It's a pretty damn good Direct Drive gemini turntable with pretty good torque and response to the pitch fader. I cant detirmine what the average bpm is with my ear and some people say thats what you have to learn to do, is that true? |
i don't think it is a matter of what the bpm of a record is, it is a case of how slow or fast it is compared to the record that you want to mix with.. try this..
while record A is playing, rock your B record on the 1st beat.. it takes alot of practise (ALOT), but once you get the "push off" correct , those to records WILL be in sync for atleast a second.. then when they start to drift (this is where more practise comes in), you have to hear wich on is faster (or slower) and adjust record B accordingly .. trust me, keep practising, and it will "click" one day, and it will become a second nature .. kind of like riding a bike.. good luck!
Jay
p.s stay away from beat counters, they won't be around you all of the time, rely on your ears.. and practise..
oh.. practise.. :) |
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| Ken_Allen |
Hmm...I actually that deck to sync with another song for at least a minute :D
Gemini XL-DD50 II |
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| hydrobromide |
When you're listening to try and find out if the record you're about to play next is faster or slower than the record playing, what's the best way to listen for it?
Listen to record A on the speakers, and listen to record B in the headphones?
Or listen to both playing at the same time in the headphones?
I know about trying to match the tracks at 32 or 64 beats, but what if the 2nd record is playing considerably faster than the one playing and gets more than one beat ahead of the song playing? Start it over at a closer pitch to the record playing?
Are there any better ways to mix songs with complicated basslines (other than KICK-BASS-KICK-BASS), besides playing the 1st song until the bassline stops on there's just a kick. I guess bring in the 2nd song with bass level low, and at a 32 or 64 mark when the song changes, put the bass on the 1st track low, and turn up the 2nd track bass? Any other ways?
I've been mixing on my computer for a while now, but I have some technics coming in the mail, so I wanna learn the REAL mixing ways... |
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