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| PVD & T[]C |
| Discuss anything you want about the 2004 bilderberg confrence that took place from june 3-6 in Stresa, Italy, aswell as any past confrences. If you dont konw what it is just check out this site or just research off Google |
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| D-res |
damn.. you guys say you know politics, and you cant even hold a thread about bilderberg of all things... jeez
*shaking head in dissapointment*:whip: :disbelief |
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| Trancer-X |
LOL. Who here could know anything about them? They are held in absolute secrecy.
| quote: | "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years."
"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller (June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany) |
Bilderberg: The ultimate conspiracy theory
By Jonathan Duffy
BBC News Online Magazine
The Bilderberg group, an elite coterie of Western thinkers and power-brokers, has been accused of fixing the fate of the world behind closed doors. As the organisation marks its 50th anniversary, rumours are more rife than ever.
Given its reputation as perhaps the most powerful organisation in the world, the Bilderberg group doesn't go a bundle on its switchboard operations.
Telephone inquiries are met with an impersonal female voice - the Dutch equivalent of the BT Callminder woman - reciting back the number and inviting callers to "leave a message after the tone".
Anyone who accidentally dialled the number would probably think they had stumbled on just another residential answer machine.
Leiden in Holland, the inauspicious base of the Bilderberg group
But behind this ultra-modest façade lies one of the most controversial and hotly-debated alliances of our times.
On Thursday the Bilderberg group marks its 50th anniversary with the start of its yearly meeting.
For four days some of the West's chief political movers, business leaders, bankers, industrialists and strategic thinkers will hunker down in a five-star hotel in northern Italy to talk about global issues.
What sets Bilderberg apart from other high-powered get-togethers, such as the annual World Economic Forum (WEF), is its mystique.
Not a word of what is said at Bilderberg meetings can be breathed outside. No reporters are invited in and while confidential minutes of meetings are taken, names are not noted.
The shadowy aura extends further - the anonymous answerphone message, for example; the fact that conference venues are kept secret. The group, which includes luminaries such as Henry Kissinger and former UK chancellor Kenneth Clarke, does not even have a website.
DISCREET AND ELITE
This year Bilderberg has announced a list of attendees
They include BP chief John Browne, US Senator John Edwards, World Bank president James Wolfensohn and Mrs Bill Gates
In the void created by such aloofness, an extraordinary conspiracy theory has grown up around the group that alleges the fate of the world is largely decided by Bilderberg.
In Yugoslavia, leading Serbs have blamed Bilderberg for triggering the war which led to the downfall of Slobodan Milosevic. The Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, the London nail-bomber David Copeland and Osama Bin Laden are all said to have bought into the theory that Bilderberg pulls the strings with which national governments dance.
And while hardline right-wingers and libertarians accuse Bilderberg of being a liberal Zionist plot, leftists such as activist Tony Gosling are equally critical.
A former journalist, Mr Gosling runs a campaign against the group from his home in Bristol, UK.
"My main problem is the secrecy. When so many people with so much power get together in one place I think we are owed an explanation of what is going on.
Timothy McVeigh was among those who believed the conspiracy theory
Mr Gosling seizes on a quote from Will Hutton, the British economist and a former Bilderberg delegate, who likened it to the annual WEF gathering where "the consensus established is the backdrop against which policy is made worldwide".
"One of the first places I heard about the determination of US forces to attack Iraq was from leaks that came out of the 2002 Bilderberg meeting," says Mr Gosling.
But "privacy, rather than secrecy", is key to such a meeting says Financial Times journalist Martin Wolf, who has been invited several times in a non-reporting role.
"The idea that such meetings cannot be held in private is fundamentally totalitarian," he says. "It's not an executive body; no decisions are taken there."
As an up-and-coming statesmen in the 1950s, Denis Healey, who went on to become a Labour chancellor, was one of the four founding members of Bilderberg (which was named after the hotel in Holland where the first meeting was held in 1954).
The alternative - the WEF welcomes journalists
His response to claims that Bilderberg exerts a shadowy hand on the global tiller is met with characteristic bluntness. "Crap!"
"There's absolutely nothing in it. We never sought to reach a consensus on the big issues at Bilderberg. It's simply a place for discussion," says Lord Healey.
Formed in the spirit of post-war trans-Atlantic co-operation, the idea behind Bilderberg was that future wars could be prevented by bringing power-brokers together in an informal setting away from prying eyes.
"Bilderberg is the most useful international group I ever attended. The confidentiality enabled people to speak honestly without fear of repercussions.
"In my experience the most useful meetings are those when one is free to speak openly and honestly. It's not unusual at all. Cabinet meetings in all countries are held behind closed doors and the minutes are not published."
That activists have seized on Bilderberg is no surprise to Alasdair Spark, an expert in conspiracy theories.
"The idea that a shadowy clique is running the world is nothing new. For hundreds of years people have believed the world is governed by a cabal of Jews.
"Shouldn't we expect that the rich and powerful organise things in their own interests. It's called capitalism."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3773019.stm |
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| D-res |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
LOL. Who here could know anything about them? They are held in absolute secrecy. |
eh.. good point. :D
in any case... i was listening to a bbc broadcast thing that they did about it, and there was a man who attended the year before who opened up and spoke about some things that went on. he wouldnt go into too much detail, but he did stop after only a little questioning. oh, and he wasnt invited back that year....
i remember the news broadcaster called the hotel that was elegidly hosting the meeting and asked if he could get a room. the woman on the other line said that the whol hotel was closing down for maitenence work.... i wonder
i just dont understand the secracy, accept that supposedly the things talked about at the conference needs to be kept secret, because if leeked to the public, the most powerful people in the world lose heaps of money.
anyway, i should be getting to school..... |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by D-res
damn.. you guys say you know politics, and you cant even hold a thread about bilderberg of all things... jeez
*shaking head in dissapointment*:whip: :disbelief |
I understand your pain.
They probably don't even know what the Commitee of 300 is or O.T.O..
I gave up on the people that think that Kerry and Bush are two different people. I gave up on people that think that Democracy is the answer, little do they realize that it is just a mild form of communism. I gave up on people that think they are in the know and believe everything the media tells them.
As it is written:
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
You my friend have knowledge that when said amongst fools just makes you look foolish to them. You can carry on and preach this gospel and pray that maybe you get, as I do, a few converts to the truth from the garbage that expels on the media.
Like I said the are people here that THINK they are in the know but are not. We are a rare breed.
And to those that say things on why I or anyone else should bother with this subject:
When you wind up in a concentration camp at least you know how, why or who put you there. |
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| Trancer-X |
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."
- Franklin D. Roosevelt (in a written correspondence to Col. Edward House, Woodrow Wilson's top advisor on November 23, 1933) |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
They probably don't even know what the Commitee of 300 is |
"Three hundred men, all of whom know one another, direct the economic destiny of Europe and choose their successors from among themselves."
- Walter Rathenau of General Electric in Germany, 1909
Are you saying that you actually KNOW what the "Committe of 300" is? |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
...They probably don't even know what the Commitee of 300 is or O.T.O..... |
I know more than you think I know.
Hierarchy knows it's place. The Committee knows this. The Bildebergs know this. The Trilateral Commision knows this. The Council On Foreign Relations knows this. The old man of the mountain knows this. The ascended master knows this.
The uninitiated do not. |
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| D-res |
ahh... these conspiracies are soo much fun, and in this case true. what i hate is the UN. i mean, the thought of a one world government, or a new world order, is just where we dont want to go. a funny conspiracy is that there is a cave in antartica that leads to the inside of the earth, where a supreme people live in paradise....:stongue:
sorry im rambling on about off topic stuff, but yeah... anyway, back to bilderberg. im glad some of us know about it. i was starting to think that the political forum was full of retards... |
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| ogvh5150 |
I know it is. But just like anything on CNN there's always some bull rhetoric going around disguising itself as the truth.
Statements like "You should be hung from XYZ until your balls are in your feet" or " islam/christianity/religion/you" or "religion x is so y and z nonsense".
This forum is full of it.
Just separate the wheat from the chaff. |
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| D-res |
i just want to see these fools come into this thread, read what we've said and start posting bull about us being wrong and calling us dumbass, so that eventually, if at some point a new world order does in fact take over and as its said "whipe out 2/3 of the population of the world, which consist mostly of christians and the sort (luckily im athiest;) ,) i can smile and say, "golly gee; us dumbasses were right..."
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by D-res
i just want to see these fools come into this thread, read what we've said and start posting bull about us being wrong and calling us dumbass, so that eventually, if at some point a new world order does in fact take over and as its said "whipe out 2/3 of the population of the world, which consist mostly of christians and the sort (luckily im athiest;) ,) i can smile and say, "golly gee; us dumbasses were right..."
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dumbass |
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