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| vodoochild |
dictionary meanings;
coincidence-A sequence of events that although accidental seems to have been planned or arranged
fate-The supposed force, principle, or power that predetermines events.
I say that life is about one event or another all inter-connected, that brings us closer to our destiny. Whereas my friend feels that life is a set of events-randomly occuring on chance alone.....:conf:
That doesnt sit well with me...
any thoughts....
please keep it focused.
vc |
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Excerpt from Jonathon Livingston Seagull
Most of us came along ever so slowly. We went from one world into another that was almost exactly like it, forgetting right away where we had come from, not caring where we were headed, living for the moment. Do you have any idea how many lives we must have gone though before we even got the first idea that there is more to life than eating, or fighting, or power in the Flock? A thousand lives, Jon, ten thousand! And then another hundred lives until we began to learn that there is such a thing as perfection, and another hundred again to get the idea that our purpose is to find that perfection and show it forth. The same rule holds for us now, of course: we choose our next world through what we learn in this one. Learn nothing, and the next world is the same as this one, all the same limitations and lead weights to overcome.
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| Rodrico |
To believe in destiny, is to believe in a lack of free will or choice. If one chooses to believe in destiny or fate, I dont see how someone could live free.
Just my simple take on it, im too high to even elaborate at the moment. |
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| Arbiter |
| I think that either a strictly deterministic or strictly chaotic view of life is rather oversimplified. There are nearly innumerable factors affecting your life which exhibit varying degrees of predictability. Deterministic models of existence encounter problem dealing with certain observable phenomena including the behavior of life and quantum chaos. However I think that to view life as a sequence of "random" events is perhaps yet more problematic: if everything is "random," then why aren't massive amounts of energy and mass constantly fluctuating between any number of different states? The universe, life included, could hardly exist in any stable form if those kinds of events could arise on a spontaneous and random basis. |
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| Subey |
| quote: | Originally posted by vodoochild
any thoughts....
please keep it focused.
vc |
There are different phases to reality just as there are different phases to life.
Imagine you are an art student. And your teacher says "Paint a flower", do you have free will? No you don't because you are forced to paint a flower... BUT yes you do because you have the freedom to paint whatever you want as long as it is recognizable as a flower.
In effect the outcome is predefined, but you have liberty in how you get there.
The key thing though is not to be pissed that you are "forced" to paint a flower, but rather to be happy that you are learning about creating art and that every day is a day closer to graduation...
Teacher = God
Flower = Archetype
Student = Soul
Brush handle = Body
Brush head = Mind
Paint = Blood, Sweat and Tears
Canvass = History |
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