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Democrats accuse Bush of lying about his Air National Guard service
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| Trancer-X |
Democrats accuse Bush of lying about his Air National Guard service
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrats pounced on the latest revelations about President Bush's Air National Guard service Wednesday, saying newly released records show Bush shirked his duty and lied about it.
Bush's spokesmen said the records back up the president's assertion that he fulfilled all of his Vietnam-era military obligations and served honorably.
Meanwhile, the Texas Air National Guard released 128 pages of records on Bush's service from 1968 to 1973, all of which had been previously released by the White House. Two Texas officials said in sworn affidavits that the records were all the Texas Guard had on Bush's service.
CBS reported Wednesday night that it had obtained personal files from one of Bush's Texas commanders saying Bush discussed with him how to avoid drills during 1972. The report on 60 Minutes said the files were from the personal records of Col. Jerry Killian, who died in 1984.
In the memos, Killian complained of pressure from higher-ups to give Bush positive evaluations and said Bush talked about how to avoid taking a physical exam in 1972, when Bush eventually skipped six months of training and lost his pilot's wings for missing the exam.
With national security and the war on terrorism looming large on voters' minds, supporters of Bush and Democratic nominee John Kerry are attacking each candidate's Vietnam War records. Republicans have accused Kerry, a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, of fabricating the events which led to his five medals. Democrats point to gaps in Bush's stateside Air National Guard service in 1972 and 1973 to say Bush shirked his duty.
The Defense Department on Tuesday released more than two dozen pages of records about Bush and his former Texas unit. They showed Bush flew for 336 hours in military jets after his flight training and ranked in the middle of his class.
The latest records do not shed any light on key questions about Bush's service: whether or where he trained in late 1972 and early 1973, why he skipped a required medical exam and whether he was investigated or punished for skipping the exam and six months' worth of training in 1972.
Pentagon officials said they discovered the documents released Tuesday while performing a more comprehensive search "out of an abundance of caution" in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by The Associated Press.
The newly released records also showed that while Bush says he was in Alabama training with another Guard unit in 1972, his home unit in Texas was participating in the air defense of the southern United States by keeping two jet fighters constantly ready for launch within five minutes' notice.
Democrats said that meant Bush passed on a chance to defend his country. Bush flew the F-102A jets his unit kept on alert but was grounded in August 1972 because of the missed medical check.
"When his unit was placed on a 24-hour alert mission to protect our country from surprise attack, why did George Bush not report for duty?" Democratic National Committee head Terry McAuliffe said in a conference call with reporters Wednesday.
McAuliffe also suggested Bush lied when he said he had released all available records and had fulfilled his Guard obligations.
"Either George Bush was deliberately lying to the American public or he had some type of very severe memory loss," McAuliffe said.
Bush spokesmen scoffed. They said the Pentagon had not done the extensive search Bush ordered and noted that Bush had approval to train in late 1972 with an Alabama unit.
"If the president had not fulfilled his commitment he would not have been honorably discharged," Bush spokesman Scott McClellan said Wednesday.
Adding to the criticism of Bush, a group called Texans for Truth announced an advertising campaign questioning whether Bush ever trained with the Alabama Air National Guard. The advertisement, set to run in several swing states, quotes a retired lieutenant colonel in the Alabama unit who says he searched for Bush but never met him in 1972 or 1973.
Bob Mintz is another of more than a dozen former members of the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group who say they never saw Bush train with the unit. Medical records released by the White House show Bush received a dental exam at the 187th base in January 1973.
"I never met the man and I'm sorry I didn't because he's somebody important," Mintz, 63, said in a conference call with reporters Wednesday. Mintz acknowledged Bush could have performed office duties for the 187th without crossing paths with Mintz.
The 128 pages of documents the Texas Air National Guard released to the AP on Wednesday duplicate records Bush released in February. The release also included sworn statements from Texas National Guard officials Travis Evans and Michael Blalock saying the records are the only ones related to Bush in the Texas Guard's files.
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| igottaknow |
| sounds damming but have no fear Carl Rove and his crack team will some how turn this into a positive for Bush. Maybe they'll just raise the terrorist alert to code orange or something to distract attention from this. lol |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
sounds damming but have no fear Carl Rove and his crack team will some how turn this into a positive for Bush. Maybe they'll just raise the terrorist alert to code orange or something to distract attention from this. lol |
There's a good book that just came out that talks in great detail about Rove!
http://www.bushsbrain.com/
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| speedracer_mec |
Blah blah...Democrats on the offensive. To you fellas its a big deal.
The American public wont be affected. Let me give you some reasons as for why:
1) Its something that is isnt new. Al Gore's campaign brought this issue up already in 2000. Quite frankly it really wont have any affect because the public already knew about this....and it was always a fuzzy issue that never had a deep impact.
2) Bush said already, he made mistakes in the past and regrets them(dui,etc,) Unlike John Kerry who still hasnt mentioned why he threw away his purple hearts and also met with the N.Vietnamese during the war, and also came back and defamed his soldiers. But thats already been debated. But like I said, Yes its wrong, but from a political point of view this will be a nonissue in a few days.
3) Bush didnt center his campaign around this service unlike Kerry which it took a stab at the heart of his campaign with the swiftboat ads.
4)People know Bush has made mistakes and are looking for Kerry to present himself to the public...which he has yet to do. The public knows Bush's record..its blurry. They are waiting to see who Kerry is; when 527s attack his record they have a more lasting effect due to the public not knowing the man very well. Dwelling on the past 35 yrs will only hurt Kerry and feed the 527s to attack him more. In a mudslinging contest Kerry will lose....plain and simple.
5)Its basically a complicated issue the American public doesn't want to deal with....for example: Kerry's swift boat attacks:[SIMPLE] ''Kerry WAS Bad MAN-HE SLANDER WHEN HE COME BACK, KERRY LIE ABOUT PURPLE HEARTs''....The general american public looks towards those meaty issues.
When you begin to take apart this......FOR WHAT? How? WHat exactly will this accomplish? Bush's flaws were out in the open already.....Like I said this will only feed the fire of 527s...We can all disect this issue to the bone but in the end of the day it will not have a lasting effect.
6)The GOP party will counter this with more 527s, Kerry is not attacking the issues. This will destroy his entire campaign if he doesn't pursue the economic(domestic issues). The public will wonder if going negative on the past 35yrs will serve any purpose? He is playing right into the GOPs Campaign's hand by staying on the past. The public already knows what kind of leader Bush is and thats why the polls show where he stands today on foreign policy against Kerry. Kerry isnt suppose to fight Bush head on ....as far as leadership on foreign policy, he will lose.
My 2cents.;) |
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| GeneraLeePissed |
| I agree that the public won't be affected. The parties are more segregated than ever. It almost feels like watching one of those sappy old westerns. "Draw a line in the sand, Dems on one side, Reps on the other." The party lines have been drawn and too many of the public vote strickly on the notion that "I'm a democrat and thats how I'm voting." It seems no one takes the time to get informed anymore. What ever is easier will do. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Blah blah...Democrats on the offensive. To you fellas its a big deal.
The American public wont be affected. Let me give you some reasons as for why:
1) Its something that is isnt new. Al Gore's campaign brought this issue up already in 2000. Quite frankly it really wont have any affect because the public already knew about this....and it was always a fuzzy issue that never had a deep impact.
2) Bush said already, he made mistakes in the past and regrets them(dui,etc,) Unlike John Kerry who still hasnt mentioned why he threw away his purple hearts and also met with the N.Vietnamese during the war, and also came back and defamed his soldiers. But thats already been debated. But like I said, Yes its wrong, but from a political point of view this will be a nonissue in a few days.
3) Bush didnt center his campaign around this service unlike Kerry which it took a stab at the heart of his campaign with the swiftboat ads.
4)People know Bush has made mistakes and are looking for Kerry to present himself to the public...which he has yet to do. Dwelling on the past 35 yrs will only hurt Kerry and feed the 527s to attack him more. In a mudslinging contest Kerry will lose....plain and simple.
5)Its basically a complicated issue the American public doesn't want to deal with....for example: Kerry's swift boat attacks:[SIMPLE] ''Kerry WAS Bad MAN-HE SLANDER WHEN HE COME BACK, KERRY LIE ABOUT PURPLE HEARTs''....The general american public looks towards those meaty issues.
When you begin to take apart this......FOR WHAT? How? WHat exactly will this accomplish? Bush's flaws were out in the open already.....Like I said this will only feed the fire of 527s...We can all disect this issue to the bone but in the end of the day it will not have a lasting effect.
6)The GOP party will counter this with more 527s, Kerry is not attacking the issues. This will destroy his entire campaign if he doesn't pursue the economic(domestic issues). The public will wonder if going negative on the past 35yrs will serve any purpose? He is playing right into the GOPs Campaign's hand by staying on the past. The public already knows what kind of leader Bush is and thats why the polls show where he stands today on foreign policy against Kerry. Kerry isnt suppose to fight Bush head on ....as far as leadership on foreign policy, he will lose.
My 2cents.;) |
Do you seriously believe any of the crap that you write? I have a hard time believing that you are that brainwashed. |
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| speedracer_mec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
Do you seriously believe any of the crap that you write? I have a hard time believing that you are that brainwashed. |
Not brainwashed...just giving you the honest opinion on how the public will perceive this whole issue. Not everyone will go dig into the details the night before the election.
Whoever spends the most $$$ will win...
Learn politics then come talk to me.The Democratic party isn't playing their cards right as far as this issue.
Im sorry that this country isnt ran in the manner you wished, nor do people vote on the issues all the time.
Someone disagrees with you? You pull the brainwash card....:rolleyes: Grow up kid...go re-read that post again.:rolleyes:
Here it is again: Re-read....its ok if someone disagrees...Its called politics:rolleyes:
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Blah blah...Democrats on the offensive. To you fellas its a big deal.
The American public wont be affected. Let me give you some reasons as for why:
1) Its something that is isnt new. Al Gore's campaign brought this issue up already in 2000. Quite frankly it really wont have any affect because the public already knew about this....and it was always a fuzzy issue that never had a deep impact.
2) Bush said already, he made mistakes in the past and regrets them(dui,etc,) Unlike John Kerry who still hasnt mentioned why he threw away his purple hearts and also met with the N.Vietnamese during the war, and also came back and defamed his soldiers. But thats already been debated. But like I said, Yes its wrong, but from a political point of view this will be a nonissue in a few days.
3) Bush didnt center his campaign around this service unlike Kerry which it took a stab at the heart of his campaign with the swiftboat ads.
4)People know Bush has made mistakes and are looking for Kerry to present himself to the public...which he has yet to do. The public knows Bush's record..its blurry. They are waiting to see who Kerry is; when 527s attack his record they have a more lasting effect due to the public not knowing the man very well. Dwelling on the past 35 yrs will only hurt Kerry and feed the 527s to attack him more. In a mudslinging contest Kerry will lose....plain and simple.
5)Its basically a complicated issue the American public doesn't want to deal with....for example: Kerry's swift boat attacks:[SIMPLE] ''Kerry WAS Bad MAN-HE SLANDER WHEN HE COME BACK, KERRY LIE ABOUT PURPLE HEARTs''....The general american public looks towards those meaty issues.
When you begin to take apart this......FOR WHAT? How? WHat exactly will this accomplish? Bush's flaws were out in the open already.....Like I said this will only feed the fire of 527s...We can all disect this issue to the bone but in the end of the day it will not have a lasting effect.
6)The GOP party will counter this with more 527s, Kerry is not attacking the issues. This will destroy his entire campaign if he doesn't pursue the economic(domestic issues). The public will wonder if going negative on the past 35yrs will serve any purpose? He is playing right into the GOPs Campaign's hand by staying on the past. The public already knows what kind of leader Bush is and thats why the polls show where he stands today on foreign policy against Kerry. Kerry isnt suppose to fight Bush head on ....as far as leadership on foreign policy, he will lose.
My 2cents.
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Someone disagrees with you? You pull the brainwash card....:rolleyes: Grow up kid...go re-read that post again.:rolleyes: |
It was a comment based on the majority of your posts. You don't seem like you're really that stupid so can I only assume that it's your programming.
I'm sorry for you, son. :( |
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| speedracer_mec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
It was a comment based on the majority of your posts. You don't seem like you're really that stupid so can I only assume that it's your programming.
I'm sorry for you, son. :( |
Are you going to refute each one of those points..? or just keep pulling the brainwash card.
You are looking more like an idiot the more you just sit there and sling mud. I posted a thought out post due to your whining in the other thread about bin ladin. I did it just for you....so you are now just going to sit there and say nothing. Ok:rolleyes:
I'll wait for an informed democrat to come respond.
Me and GeneraLeePissed have opposite ideals and yet we agreed on a certain issue and you lower yourself to the level of a typical moron.
You made this thread, so respond or did you expect this to be an all out Bush bash bonanza :rolleyes: |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Are you going to refute each one of those points...? or just keep pulling the brainwash card.
You are looking more like an idiot the more you just sit there and sling mud. I posted a thought out post due to your whining in the other thread about bin ladin. I did it just for you....so you are now just going to sit there and say nothing. Ok:rolleyes:
I'll wait for an informed democrat to come respond... |
Dude, if I was really pressed to lose any more IQ points I'd either go do some drugs or beat my head against a wall. At least those things can be stimulating, unlike your empty-headed babble which strikes me as over-regurgitated cud. |
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| speedracer_mec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
Dude, if I was really pressed to lose any more IQ points I'd either go do some drugs or beat my head against a wall. At least those things can be stimulating, unlike your empty-headed babble which strikes me as over-regurgitated cud. |
Don't waste my time next time...pls
Like I said, I'll wait for a more informed democrat to respond
ex: liquidx, nyctrancefan, misteropus, renegade,St_Andrew, ResonantDrag
etc etc |
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