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Apologies from G&D to attendees of Space 09/18/04 (pg. 7)
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| trancebrat |
My goodness everyone. You should really save your comments if you weren't there. I mean no disrespect to the DJ that came on after G & D because I'm sure that he can be a nice person when there aren't bigger name DJ's standing next to him in the booth making him feel like he had to prove himself. Still...what the hell was he thinking? He cranked the bass to distortion. He spun the most monotonous music that I have heard in a long time. If you did not have a trained ear you would have never known that he spun more than one song. Did he beat match? Yes...it wasn't exactly hard to do. His set had the exact same bassline. It was horrible. After about an hour of being subjected to that crap we all left. We would have left sooner, but we were trying to organize a house party so we could take G & D somewhere more relaxing with better music. I drove 5 hours to come to that club and I left because the resident DJ gave me a headache. I never had that problem with Markus Schulz when he was the resident. I have NEVER left Space that early. It was a joke. There is no need after two other DJ's have EQ'd the system to perfection to come up behind them and try to trash the system with too much bass. That was all you could hear...distorted bass. What was he trying to prove? That he could blow every speaker in the house? I wanted to ask him if he thought that sounded good. Who the hell knows what songs he played after his first initial "What The " song. It all sounded the same. For a club that is open until daybreak it is a shame that so many people left because the music and the vibe had gone to . I'm sure that Space had every intention of killing their drink sales and the door sales by putting G & D on first and then putting on a no name DJ that showed zero concern for Space's sound system. Space shouldn't hire DJ's for the night if they are going to treat them like . Spare me this "well they hired you so they get to call all the shots" bull. If an artist is treated like he might not come back. And of course he might talk to other artists that might take offense to it as well. It's one night out of the people at Space's life to either be a stand up club or a bunch of pricks. It's not kissing ass...it is showing respect. I would much rather frequent the clubs that show respect to the artists who's music they like playing in their clubs then go to a club where the owner's and DJ's act like the artists owe them something by allowing them to be there. They don't owe them . I wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for G & D being there. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't have been there if not for G & D.
I said it before and I will say it again. When you are put on early and then cut off before finishing your set it makes you look bad to the room full of people standing in front of you. It would have to be very presumptuous of you to assume that every single person there knew that they got pulled off the decks. There was probably a lot of people there that thought they only wanted to spin for two hours and that they had intentionally cut their own set short. Do you realize that by putting them on first that tons of people showed up to Space and missed either half of their set or all of their set? What kind of is that? Everyone knows that at Space the headliner always comes on at 1am or later...and spins until at least 4am or longer. So of course people showed up after 1am assuming that G & D would be on after that and that they would be spinning for a good 2-3 hours. People were stunned to find out that they had opened and were almost done. Wouldn't you be pissed to find out you had missed the set of the artists that you came to see because the club decided to change them from the headliners to the opening DJ's after the flyers had already been passed out? Now put yourself in that situation with fans thinking that you were the one to change plans...not the club. You would be upset too. If not...you don't love what you do and you don't give a about your fans.
I think Dave had the right idea by posting on here. Maybe you didn't like everything that he wrote, but he simply posted how he felt. He is human after all. I understood he was feeling bitter (after reading our other thread). I don't blame him.
Hey Dave...isn't this twice now that Space has treated you guys like ? I think it's time to start looking elsewhere. You already know where (in Miami). ;) |
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| DJ Joshua H |
| quote: | Originally posted by davedresden
hello all
it was awesome to see such a great early turnout for our gig at space last night. little did we know that we were going to be put on before the club even opened and then our set was to be cut short by both an arrogant sound guy his resident dj (how fitting that he started his set with the "what the " acappella). luis puig was not even there so u can't put it on him this time.
however, since our names were used to promote the night as if we were headliners, there will be a few things that will change if we ever play space again. one is that we will play all night.
and to make it up to the dedicated we will def have a meetup or an afterparty next time we're in miami.
thanks for your support
- dave |
I wasn't at that show buts its nice to see you come out and apologize/explain. hopefully things will fare better this friday at avalon in boston |
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| Radagast |
And that's another thing...why is he apologizing for something that was out of his control?
The people who cut them off should be to blame right? Shouldn't they be the ones apologizing? Or is dave doing it for them? |
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| trancebrat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
And that's another thing...why is he apologizing for something that was out of his control?
The people who cut them off should be to blame right? |
Why are you analyzing everything? He apologized for the reasons that I have stated above. |
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| speedracer_mec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nell
show me some original heavily layered original instrumental track to gain respect as a producer from me. (they dont have to do jack , but that's what it takes to open my eyes)
It's all just my opinion though. The only track i like is the g&d mix of beautiful things, which again is all about the vocal. no vocal = no good for g&d imo.
im not bashing them, just stating facts and my opinions. |
You are giving your opinion then saying they are facts..Ummm ok.
I liked Gabriel and dresden-Lament (the original one before they re-edited it)
Also I enjoyed Alive by josh Gabriel ..the one they played in their essential mix....Also Southern Sun (g&D)remix breakdown with 3minutes left in the tune was beautiful. Their 911 remix of new order-someone like you was driven by its incredible instrumental buildup.
Those are incredible tunes..In my opinion...not facts:rolleyes:
I really liked their older productions quite a bit more though and I believe they have definitely made their mark on the scene.
Dave dresden does care for his fans ...he even let me " a nobody" go into the dj booth and chill with them.
I think you are showing your UK BIAS and disrespecting the U.S. artists..... |
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| trancinchink |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nell
i don't think they have done anything particularly unique interesting or revolutionary for the scene. please tell me otherwise.
as the rush comes is their biggest track to date, BUT it's carried by the vocal not the production, like most of their tracks & remixes. show me some original heavily layered original instrumental track to gain respect as a producer from me. (they dont have to do jack , but that's what it takes to open my eyes)
It's all just my opinion though. The only track i like is the g&d mix of beautiful things, which again is all about the vocal. no vocal = no good for g&d imo.
im not bashing them, just stating facts and my opinions. i do believe everything they do is positive for the scene, i see no negative sides to anything they do. |
lol... ok. obviously u are NOT a producer. just because a track is heavily layered does not make it a better production. honestly, i think if someone can make an amazing track but still keep it simple, then THAT is an achievment. they don't have to "fill" up the track with useless synths, and pads in order to make it sound good. its funny how you always defend members above & beyond to the bitter end yet i don't find their productions to be so groundbreaking. i'm not saying that i don't like and listen to their tracks/remixes because i do. but as producers, g & d are much more unique and groundbreaking than a & b. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancebrat
Why are you analyzing everything? He apologized for the reasons that I have stated above. |
So he came here to apologize to the few morons who read TA out of the few morons at the party who stupidly assumed they left the decks of their own accord. I understand... |
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| trancebrat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
So he came here to apologize to the few morons who read TA out of the few morons at the party who stupidly assumed they left the decks of their own accord. I understand... |
You read it didn't you? |
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| Nell |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancinchink
lol... ok. obviously u are NOT a producer. just because a track is heavily layered does not make it a better production. honestly, i think if someone can make an amazing track but still keep it simple, then THAT is an achievment. they don't have to "fill" up the track with useless synths, and pads in order to make it sound good. its funny how you always defend members above & beyond to the bitter end yet i don't find their productions to be so groundbreaking. i'm not saying that i don't like and listen to their tracks/remixes because i do. but as producers, g & d are much more unique and groundbreaking than a & b. |
actually i do produce.
god this thread is fun. |
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| speedracer_mec |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancinchink
lol... ok. obviously u are NOT a producer. just because a track is heavily layered does not make it a better production. honestly, i think if someone can make an amazing track but still keep it simple, then THAT is an achievment. they don't have to "fill" up the track with useless synths, and pads in order to make it sound good. its funny how you always defend members above & beyond to the bitter end yet i don't find their productions to be so groundbreaking. i'm not saying that i don't like and listen to their tracks/remixes because i do. but as producers, g & d are much more unique and groundbreaking than a & b. |
A&B have been the trademark cheese icon of the trance scene post 2001. I blame them along with many other producers to the sinking trance scene with stale and bland productions. My opinion |
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| Nell |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
So he came here to apologize to the few morons who read TA out of the few morons at the party who stupidly assumed they left the decks of their own accord. I understand... |
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| trancebrat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nell
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And you read it too. ;) |
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