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Weather Vane Kerry
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| Fir3start3r |
Kerry quotes...
Personally this in' scares the hell out of me.
Who the hell wants a wishy-washy president?? :nervous:
-- "I'll never give a veto to any country over our security. But . . ."
-- "I believe in being strong and resolute and determined. And I will hunt down and kill the terrorists, wherever they are. But . . ."
-- "We have to be steadfast and resolved, and I am. And I will succeed for those troops, now that we're there. We have to succeed. We can't leave a failed Iraq. But . . ."
-- "I believe that we have to win this. The president and I have always agreed on that. And from the beginning, I did vote to give the authority, because I thought Saddam Hussein was a threat, and I did accept that intelligence. But . . ."
-- "I have nothing but respect for the British, Tony Blair, and for what they've been willing to do. But . . ."
-- "What I want to do is change the dynamics on the ground. And you have to do that by beginning to not back off of the Fallujahs and other places, and send the wrong message to the terrorists. You have to close the borders. You've got to show you're serious in that regard. But . . ."
-- "I couldn't agree more that the Iraqis want to be free and that they could be free. But . . ."
-- "No president, through all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to pre-empt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America. But . . ."
-- "I've never wavered in my life. I know exactly what we need to do in Iraq, and my position has been consistent: Saddam Hussein is a threat. He needed to be disarmed. We needed to go to the U.N. The president needed the authority to use force in order to be able to get him to do something, because he never did it without the threat of force. But . . ." |
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| policerobots |
WHOA!!:eyes:
An anti-kerry post from someone in CANADA!
*Phew* gimmie a few mins to catch my breath here |
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| Epicurus |
| With all due respect man, that post was absolutely un-informative...we don't know what he's saying after the BUT for Christ's sake!! How are we to know whether he should be chastized or not if you don't post the entire quote next time...A BUT after a statement does not necessarily imply that he's about to contradict himself or anything along those lines...When will people realize that not everything is black and white...you can have a general framework layed out that you attempt to follow, but there are ALWAYS cases when diverging from the existing framework regarding issue x or y is necessary...thus the BUT... |
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| Fir3start3r |
The word 'BUT' implies contradiction , exception and change of thought...
Show me a sentence where it doesn't then? :conf: |
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| Epicurus |
You HAVE to be kidding me.
I love to have sex, but I love to eat more. Any contradiction there? I see none.
Futhermore, I was merely stressing the fact that there are ALWAYS exceptions to every rule you lay down within a certain framework, which would warrant a BUT and which would not be equivalent to me being wishy washy on a certain subject, which was clearly what you wanted to demonstrate in this post of yours. For instance, if you ask me whether I support capital punishment, I'd initially say absolutely not. Then I'd add a BUT, in exceptional circumstances such as a serial killer who has absolutely no chance at being rehabilitated into society like a normal human being, I'd consider the death penalty...does that mean I'm wishy washy on the death penalty??? Personally, I don't think so.
So again, how are we to know anything about Kerry's wishy washiness from this post if you truncate the rest of the quote? |
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
The word 'BUT' implies contradiction , exception and change of thought...
Show me a sentence where it doesn't then? :conf: |
meh- im too hung over to deal with this but jesus h christ... |
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| hardcore trancer |
| Good thread indeed :rolleyes: |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Epicurus
You HAVE to be kidding me.
I love to have sex, but I love to eat more. Any contradiction there? I see none.
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No but there is change in thought which was exactly my point.
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Futhermore, I was merely stressing the fact that there are ALWAYS exceptions to every rule you lay down within a certain framework, which would warrant a BUT and which would not be equivalent to me being wishy washy on a certain subject, which was clearly what you wanted to demonstrate in this post of yours. For instance, if you ask me whether I support capital punishment, I'd initially say absolutely not. Then I'd add a BUT, in exceptional circumstances such as a serial killer who has absolutely no chance at being rehabilitated into society like a normal human being, I'd consider the death penalty...does that mean I'm wishy washy on the death penalty??? Personally, I don't think so.
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Personally, I'd say yes.
I mean, either you do or you don't; why build in an exception?
Stand for something or fall for everything.
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So again, how are we to know anything about Kerry's wishy washiness from this post if you truncate the rest of the quote?
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Good question and believe it or not; an answer. ;)
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| Epicurus |
| quote: | | No but there is change in thought which was exactly my point. |
Sure, but is there a change of thought that would make me wishy washy, which was the intent of this thread??? NO. Thus, using a BUT is not tantamount to being wishy washy, which is MY point.
| quote: | Personally, I'd say yes.
I mean, either you do or you don't; why build in an exception?
Stand for something or fall for everything. |
This is exactly what I'm talking about. When will people understand that thinking along the above lines is SIMPLETON thinking. It's absolutely primitive. Again, I don't mean to bash you in particular, simply making a general statement.
Usually, people attempt to simplify all their positions, opinions and so forth to fit them into little nice theoretical boxes so that they can then use them to live their lives, to guide them in daily life if you will...which is fine usually. However, when certain circumstances arise that force you to actually think and reconsider your position, people (such as yourself) start crying about wishy washiness because they didn't hold true to the little theoretical construct. Life is more complicated than that. |
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| St_Andrew |
omg....
"most people dont like war, BUT in some circumstances its necessairly."
it would imo be stupid to to say that something is always wrong or always right, there are always exceptions. |
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| Epicurus |
| quote: | | "most people dont like war, BUT in some circumstances its necessairly." |
Thanks St. Andrew, that's an even better example :p |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Epicurus
Sure, but is there a change of thought that would make me wishy washy, which was the intent of this thread??? NO. Thus, using a BUT is not tantamount to being wishy washy, which is MY point.
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but in the context of the title of the thread, we are in fact, referring to Kerry and his flip-flopping which is widely accepted as being his biggest problem... ;) |
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