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Disabled Canadian sub: SAILOR DEAD!!! (pg. 2)
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| TrueToTheCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by d!abolic
We never fight anyone, so essentially they WOULDN'T be putting their lives if it wasn't for the EQUIPMENT :haha: |
We may have not fought in recent years but the whole point of having a military is readiness. You dont know whats going to happen in the future. Lets say we get attacked similiar to 9-11. We have to lead the coalition in our offencesive move. How would it look if our PM had to go to the UN and beg for help.
Its not right. We need to have a military that reflects our country's status. |
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew
The Canadian soldier made that sniper record with an American rifle wearing British fatigues.
here's the first hand account
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Doesn't matter if they we're using spit-balls from China...No matter what foreign equipment we use, the Canadian Armed Forces are widely know as being the best fighters throughout history and today...It just angers me:mad: that we buy second hand junk like those subs... |
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| ShadoWolf |
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv.../BNStory/Front/
Canadian submariner has died, PM confirms
By ALLISON DUNFIELD and DARREN YOURK
Globe and Mail Update
Prime Minister Paul Martin has confirmed that one crew member from the stricken submarine HMCS Chicoutimi has died.
While a briefing on the submariners' fate is expected later Wednesday eveing, Mike Bonin, a spokesman for the Canadian Navy, told globeandmail.com that the remaining airlifted crew members are now at a hospital in the Republic of Ireland receiving treatment.
"We are waiting to contact all next of kin before we can give any further information," he said.
BBC reported that the men are receiving treatment at a hospital in Sligo, in the Republic of Ireland.
BBC said Irish television quoted a hospital source as saying one of the sailors, a male, was in critical condition.
Meanwhile, in Ottawa Wednesday, the federal government defended the purchase of the submarine from Britain that caught fire and stranded its crew in the North Atlantic Tuesday, saying the blaze was an isolated setback and the vessel will "serve Canada well" in the long run.
When the fire broke out on HMCS Chicoutimi Tuesday, nine crew members suffered smoke inhalation and the vessel lost power. The submarine remained adrift in the rough waters of the North Atlantic on Wednesday, with officials saying the "major fire" inflicted more damage on the vessel than originally thought, although a British frigate is now alongside it and as soon as seas calm down, it will be towed to port in Scotland.
Prime Minister Paul Martin told the House of Commons Wednesday that he spoke with Commodore Tyrone Pile, commander of Canadian Fleet Atlantic, on Wednesday morning and was assured that the crew has plenty of food and heat and those who suffered injuries are being treated.
The submarine was the last of four purchased from Britain by Canada and it was on its maiden voyage from Faslane, Ireland to Halifax.
During Question Period, opposition parties attacked the government for putting its Canadian navy in danger by purchasing the faulty subs.
NDP MP Bill Blaikie asked Defence Minister Bill Graham whether there is "an intention on the part of the government to go after the British government for having sold us this equipment in the first place, [and] go after them for the costs associated with what are obviously inferior submarines?"
Mr. Graham said any considerations of taking legal action come second to the safety and well-being of the crew.
"These are submarines that were acquired by the navy because they are going to serve Canada well in this program. We will be, of course, looking at remedies, but this is not the time to discuss legal action," he said.
Cmdre. Pile told a press conference Wednesday that two fires broke out aboard the Chicoutimi on Tuesday, inflicting enough damage to make restoring propulsion to the vessel unlikely.
"Information received overnight clearly indicates that the damage caused by the fire was more extensive than first thought," Cmdre. Pile said. "We still do not know where the fire started, but it did cause significant damage to the commanding officer's cabin and the electrical equipment room."
The two locations are located on separate decks within the vessel. Cmdre. Pile said most of the submarine's portable fire-fighting equipment had to be used to put it out.
A second smaller fire broke out in one of the Chicoutimi's oxygen generators, but the crew was able to put it out quickly. Cmdre. Pile said the two fires were unrelated.
"While it is an irregular occurrence, this was a minor fire and something that has happened in the submarines in the past," Cmdre. Pile said. "Therefore, we have laid out standard procedures on how to deal with that when it happens.."
Two tugs are currently en route to the scene, but difficult weather conditions make Friday the earliest window for the sub to be towed to Faslane, Scotland, for repairs.
"It is becoming apparent that the restoration of propulsion in Chicoutimi is unlikely," Cmdre. Pile said. "The option to tow the boat will be undertaken as soon as conditions permit."
The tow back to port could take as long as three days.
The Chicoutimi, which the British navy launched 18 years ago as the Upholder and then mothballed, was on its maiden voyage under a Canadian flag. The vessel left the British naval base at Faslane, after a renaming ceremony Saturday was due in Halifax on Oct. 18.
Chicoutimi is the last of four former British subs to be turned over to Canada. The British built only the four before London decided to phase them out in a post-Cold-War economic move.
The Liberal government bought them in 1998 for a fraction of the cost of new subs, but the deal has been controversial.
The Victoria-class boats sprang leaks and required expensive refits that delayed their delivery. Defence officials in Ottawa have also said the operating costs are likely to be 25 per cent higher than original estimates.
Mr. Graham said Wednesday that he was assured that HMCS Chicoutimi left port in Canada in appropriate naval condition and that appropriate procedures were followed at all times.
"I am assured by our naval experts that these submarines are being worked in [to the Canadian fleet] to build a better navy for Canada."
He said Tuesday that a naval inquiry will be held, but he expects the subs will continue patrol duty against potential intruders into Canadian waters off the east and west coasts.
With a report from Jeff Sallot and Canadian Press |
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| ShadoWolf |
How many more have to die before the sheep... I mean Canadians, vote the Lieberals out!!!
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| Pettiscool |
| what the hell ar you talking about?!?!? |
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| St_Andrew |
| militairy is quite waste of money anyway imo. at least in the way it is formed today. |
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| Jayx1 |
I put the death squarly on the shoulders of Jean Chretien for buying used half rate subs. Same thing with the Sea Kings...
I hope Harper pulls the plug on this government sooner than later. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
I hope Harper pulls the plug on this government sooner than later. |
im not so sure he will. i saw an interview with him and it seemed like he was happy with the situation and the least he wanted was a reelection.
of course, i might have no clue since i am not too into the candian politics yet :p |
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| Jayx1 |
| they came close with the throne speech though.... |
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| ShadoWolf |
OMFG check out this bull!!!!!
http://www.news.gc.ca/cfmx/CCP/view...rticleid=101509
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Incident on Board HMCS Chicoutimi
OTTAWA, October 5, 2004 -- HMCS CHICOUTIMI while transiting from the UK to Canada experienced a fire while at sea off the west coast of Ireland earlier today.
The submarine and its Canadian crew of 57 left Faslane, Scotland, on October 4 and was en route to Halifax, NS, when the fire occurred. The cause of the fire has not been determined, but it was contained and is now out. The incident is under investigation.
The crew is safe. Three sailors experienced smoke inhalation but do not require evacuation from the submarine. We are in the process of informing family members.
The submarine is currently without propulsion northwest of Ireland. The Canadian Forces are working in cooperation with the Royal Navy to assist CHICOUTIMI as required.
HMCS CHICOUTIMI is the last of four diesel electric submarines purchased for Canada's Navy and was accepted formally last weekend by the Canadian Forces from the British Ministry of Defence at an official ceremony in Faslane. |
MARTIN, GRAHAM AND MCALLUM SHOULD RESIGN TODAY! |
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| mr. poopyhead |
i didn't realize until JUST NOW, that the sub was recently handed over to us... i always assumed that the sub had been in (canadian) service for a long time. leave it to those penny-pinchers in parliament to buy a lemon...
while adrienne clarkson is starting ANOTHER term of free-spending madness, our canadian troops are dying in sea-kings, labradors, and used british subs.... hooray for canada, :whip: :rolleyes: |
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