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The second debate... (pg. 9)
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| priveye03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by che
Dude, the man had nothing to say!!! Very little fact support for random statements, interupted several times. He doesn't even belong on the same stage as Kerry. A hick appealing to simple people. |
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| DaveSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dupz
thankyou captain obvious.. if you've notice i dont live in the US, and no, we dont have live access on tv here in oz. |
Streaming video:
http://www.c-span.org/ |
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| imokruok |
| quote: | Originally posted by che
he was saying that he stoped the importing of drugs from Canada because they didnt know if they were safe. the could have come from a 3rd world country....lame |
It wasn't meant as an insult to Canada. The Americans who support drug reimportation seem to think that all of the drugs in Canada came from the USA, and we're just going to bring them back over the border. But that's not the case. Canada actually purchases a fair number of drugs from overseas generic suppliers in India and Taiwan.
The biggest insult last night was when Kerry ripped on Red Sox fans. Or maybe when he looked at his own audience and said that 'it looks like there's only three people here who made $200k last year.' |
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| policerobots |
Good Points by Bush:
1) "Sometimes they don't like the decisions made by America, but I don't think you want a president who tries to become popular and does the wrong thing."
2)"We got to be right 100 percent of the time here at home, and they got to be right once. And that's the reality."
3)"I don't see how you can lead troops if you say it's the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time."
4)"The Patriot Act is necessary, for example, because parts of the FBI couldn't talk to each other. The intelligence-gathering and the law-enforcement arms of the FBI just couldn't share intelligence under the old law. And that didn't make any sense"
5)"...in a war, there's a lot of -- there's a lot of tactical decisions that historians will look back and say: He shouldn't have done that. He shouldn't have made that decision. And I'll take responsibility for them. I'm human...But history will look back, and I'm fully prepared to accept any mistakes that history judges to my administration, because the president makes the decisions, the president has to take the responsibility. "
Good Points by Kerry:
1) "You rely on good military people to execute the military component of the strategy, but winning the peace is larger than just the military component. The military's job is to win the war. A president's job is to win the peace."
2)"Folks, the test is not if you've added money[to Homeland Security]; the test is that you've done everything possible to make America secure."
3)BUSH: "[On healthcare]...That's what liberals do. They create government-sponsored health care. Maybe you think that makes sense. I don't. Government-sponsored health care would lead to rationing. It would ruin the quality of health care in America."
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KERRY: "But look, what's really important, Charlie, is the president is just trying to scare everybody here with throwing labels around. I mean, "compassionate conservative," what does that mean? I mean, seriously — labels don't mean anything. What means something is: Do you have a plan?"
5) "But you know what we also need to do as Americans is never let the terrorists change the Constitution of the United States in a way that disadvantages our rights."
Good Points by Gibson:
1)"Senator, I want to extend for a minute, you talk about tax cuts to stop outsourcing. But when you have IBM documents that I saw recently where you can hire a programmer for $12 in China, $56 an hour here, tax credits won't cut it." |
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| che |
| quote: | Originally posted by JM
you should be ashamed at being Canadian, and ashamed of their 1st rate educational system. shame on Perdue for accepting you.
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Why would i be ashamed to be Canadian?? We can go anywhere in the world holding our heads high. American people on the other hand can't, its sad but true. You can't pick someone, who has no clue what public speaking , as president and expect people not to pass judgement on you as a public. A picked leader reflects the public that supported him. Now i know that the majority of US citizens didn;t pick him but in the eyes of the world it makes the whole population look bad.
We Canadians on the other hand have nothing to worry about.
BTW, its Purdue, not Perdue. And had they not begged me to come to their school i wouldn't have :D |
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| Radagast |
| On my last trip to Canada this 16 year old pothead girl who I had never met before was always asking to jump my bone. God bless Canada. Brings a tear to me eye. |
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| ierxium |
| quote: | Originally posted by policerobots
3)"I don't see how you can lead troops if you say it's the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time."
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Overused. Time has nothing to do with it. |
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| NYGblue |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
no. this statement of yours, pretty much, sums it up for me.
it speaks volumes about your character. its your opinion, i guess? your cred as a serious critic is shot though.
stay warm:D |
Your self-fulfilling statements that no one agrees with don't help your cause for legitimacy either.
I guess a bit of hypocrasy is always in line when trying to outdo people on a message board. Certainly understandable, but no more credible. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYGblue
Your self-fulfilling statements that no one agrees with don't help your cause for legitimacy either.
I guess a bit of hypocrasy is always in line when trying to outdo people on a message board. Certainly understandable, but no more credible. |
sorry:rolleyes: i guess, as an American, i shouldn't take offence to kids from other countries throwing generalizations around like that in a place where serious debate is predicated upon credibility.
you see hypocrisy, i see irony:) |
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| .montecarlo. |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
did Bush compare Canada to a 3rd world country?? I'm not sure if I heard right.
anyone remember that sentence? |
i'm watching the debate now... about the drugs, he said "it looks like it's from canada, [but] it might be from the third world." |
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| che |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
sorry:rolleyes: i guess, as an American, i shouldn't take offence to kids from other countries throwing generalizations around like that in a place where serious debate is predicated upon credibility.
you see hypocrisy, i see irony:) |
Kids??? :rolleyes:
It unfortunate but its the way it works. The president of any country reflects the people who selected him/her. |
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| Arbiter |
Well having reviewed the transcript it's more clear to me than ever that Kerry completely and utterly annihilated Bush for the second consecutive debate.
Kerry, for the most part, actually addressed the question which was asked of him. Bush, on the other hand, typically avoided the specific question being posed and gave a generic speech about the issue it addressed (or that he arbitrarily decided it addressed). Kerry supported his positions with specific facts, names, numbers, et cetera. Bush supported his positions with lies, logical fallacies, and the ever-popular ostrich argument.
It's reaching to even refer to this event as a debate, as the only one actually advancing arguments was Kerry. |
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