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| ftc |
Hi. Been a while since I posted on this board remembering the WI support I wanted to get some input on this hot topic. Personally I find 2am too early and this is restricting us to evolve our nightlife scene. I live in MKE and see so much potential for the club scene flourishing but when a headliner gets only 2 hours to play and no one even comes by around 10pm to listen to the opener, I find it difficult to imagine any progress. What frusterates me even more is having to drive down to Chicago to attend quality gigs. I've heard alot of response on why the bartime shouldn't be extended but do not see any of them as reasonable excuses. I just wanted to hear your take on this, perhaps some thoughts from neighboring states and their laws. Maybe if we bring enough attention on this subject we can make serious changes.
ps. Any details on what criteria bartime is decided upon + what steps must be taken to re-evaluate the decission would be much appreciated. Thanks. |
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| lücid |
ok, here's my honest thoughts on it...
Milwaukee is FULL of people who love to drink every night of the week, and people who don't know their limits. extend the bar-time, and you're gonna have a lot of people really over-doing it and not showing up for their jobs the next morning. i think 2AM is a pretty decent closing time for the weeknights, but i do think that the bartime should be extended on weekends until at least 3 or 4AM.
i don't really care all that much, considering Milwaukee rarely pulls in DJs that i want to see (just the way this city is, it focuses more on hip-hop and house rather than trance), and i don't go out to the bars all that often anyway. i figure i can buy a case of Pabst and drink pretty damn cheap at my own apartment, so i do that instead.
the thing that REALLY bothers me about this city, is that you can't buy alcohol in grocery/liqour stores after 9PM. wtf is that?!?! back in NY i could walk down to my local gas station at 4AM to get a six-pack. beer should be available at all hours of the day. you never know when a situation may arise.
i could rant on and on about the positives and negatives of the Milwaukee "scene"... but no city is perfect, it is what it is. |
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| ftc |
| quote: | Originally posted by lücid
ok, here's my honest thoughts on it...
Milwaukee is FULL of people who love to drink every night of the week, and people who don't know their limits. |
I'm sorry but this is nothing but one of the many lame excuses I don't consider rational. People are people where ever you go. Go to any mentropolitan city in the world and it doesn't change. Milwaukee deserves to be a big city but if there is intent of trying to keep it away from prospering thats a different subject. With good comes bad, it would be foolish to expect development without accepting change.
| quote: | | extend the bar-time, and you're gonna have a lot of people really over-doing it and not showing up for their jobs the next morning. |
What makes you think clubs/bars or the city is responsible for you being on time for work? Every individual is solely responsible of themselves and since no one is forcing you to stay out until last call this is also irrelevant.
| quote: | | i don't really care all that much, considering Milwaukee rarely pulls in DJs that i want to see (just the way this city is, it focuses more on hip-hop and house rather than trance) |
Do you not realize how narrow minded this is? In order for for the clubs/promoters/party throwers to pull in djs that you want to see, the system needs to undergo change. Everything is linked with each other. Bar time - clubs/venues (the amount & size) - investment - famous djs - more parties - competition - progress. Why would anyone fork up $5,000 for a famous dj bring him to a hole in the wall club have him spin 2 hours every weekend?? Once there is change with the scene, interest levels will rise. Do you not see the potential our city has? Are you not aware of the involved young generation following from close behind? Do you not see how vast electronic dance music scene has become & how powerfull it is? Please look beyond our city limits from a global prespective... then let's talk. |
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| FellatedOne |
We had this discussion on MilwaukeeNights.com.
http://forums.milwaukeenights.com/showthread.php?t=1505
Here is an article with the cities explanation of this:
http://www.shepherd-express.com/she...views/news.html
Thats the way it is, and doesn't look like it's going to change.
I defense of Lucid, this is a hip hop town, been tried to change many times, failed every one of them.... You have your anomalies, ala Three and Mantra. Every other club caters to and plays Hip Hop.
Everytime a decent DJ is brought to this town, it flops. With the exception of SummerFest and Oakey. Look at Three with Zabiela. It was sparse compared to the way that place normally gets. There was no line to get in, you could order drinks easily. Come to think of it, it was perfect for those who were there, but there is no way the promoter or the owner could have been happy with the money they LOST that night.... and thats the way it is everytime in this town.
Whew.... I digressed. Oh well. |
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| lücid |
| quote: | Originally posted by ftc
I'm sorry but this is nothing but one of the many lame excuses I don't consider rational. People are people where ever you go. Go to any mentropolitan city in the world and it doesn't change. Milwaukee deserves to be a big city but if there is intent of trying to keep it away from prospering thats a different subject. With good comes bad, it would be foolish to expect development without accepting change. |
hey, they don't call it "Brew City" for nothin. Wisconsin is the #1 state for women's binge drinking. i grew up in NY and have visted plenty of cities. nothing compares to the way, and the amount, that people drink here in Wisconsin. when i moved to Milwaukee, i had friends in NY and LA giving me about becoming an "alcoholic". i had to explain to them that is just the way Milwaukee is. what other state will you find a beer tent at almost every major event? just my observation.
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What makes you think clubs/bars or the city is responsible for you being on time for work? Every individual is solely responsible of themselves and since no one is forcing you to stay out until last call this is also irrelevant. |
i'm not saying the club/bar is responsible, i was using this as an example of the Water Street clientele. the majority of it is single guys and college kids who are there for the cheap drink specials and really have no idea when too much is too much. i have seen plenty of my friends drink until they can't even stand up. they just love to party and when 2AM roles around, it's a good thing that the bars close up because they'd probably drink even longer if possible.
| quote: | | Do you not realize how narrow minded this is? In order for for the clubs/promoters/party throwers to pull in djs that you want to see, the system needs to undergo change. Everything is linked with each other. Bar time - clubs/venues (the amount & size) - investment - famous djs - more parties - competition - progress. Why would anyone fork up $5,000 for a famous dj bring him to a hole in the wall club have him spin 2 hours every weekend?? Once there is change with the scene, interest levels will rise. Do you not see the potential our city has? Are you not aware of the involved young generation following from close behind? Do you not see how vast electronic dance music scene has become & how powerfull it is? Please look beyond our city limits from a global prespective... then let's talk. |
the rave scene is way over, hip-hop is the major thing in Milwaukee right now. just the way things are. if trance and other sub-genres of electronic music started to take off in Milwaukee, trust me... i'd welcome it with open arms. i don't expect to see the type of energy focused around a trance DJ like Armin or Ferry anytime soon in Milwaukee, so until then, i travel to Chicago. |
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| ftc |
let me put it to you like this;
most people here are not interested in music. the majority that goes out doesn't care whats playing in the background. they're like a pack of sheep repeating what they know night after night. this is common in a developing city. culture levels are still low. so in order for this scene to take off, it needs to be much more available. people have limited options resulting in almost no alternatives. once the parties start taking off (which is only going to happen if the bartime is extended because no promoter is going to work with a city that shuts down at 2) we can expect interest to rise (hopefully this will lead to more investment in the cities nightlife/more clubs) leading to competition which means more options better quality. the people will be given the chance to choose rather than accept whatever is handed. having your armin or ferry in milwaukee wouldn't be such a dream afterall.
I haven't had a chance to check the link posted but I look forward to do some investigating on how this can be changed. I hope more people start realizing how much this would bring to the city rather than focusing on minor details perhaps then we can raise our voice and have it heard. |
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| lücid |
| quote: | Originally posted by ftc
let me put it to you like this;
most people here are not interested in music. the majority that goes out doesn't care whats playing in the background. they're like a pack of sheep repeating what they know night after night. this is common in a developing city. culture levels are still low. so in order for this scene to take off, it needs to be much more available. people have limited options resulting in almost no alternatives. once the parties start taking off (which is only going to happen if the bartime is extended because no promoter is going to work with a city that shuts down at 2) we can expect interest to rise (hopefully this will lead to more investment in the cities nightlife/more clubs) leading to competition which means more options better quality. the people will be given the chance to choose rather than accept whatever is handed. having your armin or ferry in milwaukee wouldn't be such a dream afterall.
I haven't had a chance to check the link posted but I look forward to do some investigating on how this can be changed. I hope more people start realizing how much this would bring to the city rather than focusing on minor details perhaps then we can raise our voice and have it heard. |
... and i totally agree with you. i'm all for the bar-time being changed on weekends. i just don't really think there's much of a point to change it on weeknights, although it seems that that's the only time a promoter can get a bigger DJ to Milwaukee (i'm guessing because weeknights are probably much cheaper).
btw, what time do bars/clubs close on weeknights in Chicago? |
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| ftc |
4 am.
yes, weeknights are obviously cheaper. |
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